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Old 06-09-2013, 07:10 AM   #169
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I didn't say I agreed with him or thought it was a good idea, just that he does it. He towed with a F250 diesel before.
I, too, am probably exceeding the weight limits of my axle when I tow my trailer with a bed full of fire wood. I should really get about 2/3 of the wood off the truck this afternoon.
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Old 06-10-2013, 10:09 AM   #170
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I have a 2006 25" Classic that I tow with a 2002 Chevy Z71 Tahoe, 5.3 liter engine. It tows well on the flats but really bogs down on any grade. 30-40 mph on steep grades and the engine is revving at 4,400 rpms. I'm debating on trading it on a Ford F-150 Eco Boost which the sales guys said will easily tow my trailer at about 2,200 rpm. Does anyone out there have any experience with the F-150 Eco Boost engine? or have any other suggestions?
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Old 06-10-2013, 11:16 AM   #171
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Any recent model 1/2 ton truck can tow most travel trailers. That is not the problem.

It is payload, and if you have exceeded payload, you are probably close to or overloaded the rear truck axle.

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Old 06-10-2013, 05:06 PM   #172
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I have a 2006 25" Classic that I tow with a 2002 Chevy Z71 Tahoe, 5.3 liter engine. It tows well on the flats but really bogs down on any grade. 30-40 mph on steep grades and the engine is revving at 4,400 rpms. I'm debating on trading it on a Ford F-150 Eco Boost which the sales guys said will easily tow my trailer at about 2,200 rpm. Does anyone out there have any experience with the F-150 Eco Boost engine? or have any other suggestions?
Check these threads.
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f463...iew-78518.html
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f463...ost-74084.html
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Old 06-10-2013, 07:13 PM   #173
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I, too, am probably exceeding the weight limits of my axle when I tow my trailer with a bed full of fire wood. I should really get about 2/3 of the wood off the truck this afternoon.
I wanted to relay an experience I had towing a load of firewood with my Tundra. My son in law took a tree down in our backyard and said that he would return with a trailer to carry the wood home. He came with their 45k Explorer with a tow rating of 5k lbs. He loaded the wood up and I took one look at the trailer to let him know that he had a couple of problems. First off, just based on an estimate of the weight of the wood it looked to me like it weighed at least 5,000 lbs. Now the two problems were: one- the tires had a date stamp of 2006 making the tires 7 years old. two- I looked under the trailer and no brakes! I looked at the trailer spec plate and it showed a gvwr of 2,800 lbs (?) with two 3,500 lb axles.

I told him to drive slowly, like 50 mph. He needed to drive 200 miles. He got about 20 miles and one of the tires blew. He sent his wife and kids on ahead with the Explorer and I went and got him with my Tundra.

Now I normally would not think of towing 5,000 lbs without a weight distribution hitch and no brakes, but I did not have much choice, short of removing some of the wood. We replaced the blown tire in the morning and went to the scales to see where we were at. Total trailer weight was 6,000 lbs, tongue weight was 565 lbs, GV weight was 6940 lbs (40 lbs over the GVWR) and the rear axle weight was 3900, 200 lbs under the rawr of 4100 lbs.

I drove at 50 mph. We made it fine. No hard stops, so we did not need the brakes, fortunately. What really impressed me was that I really could not tell much difference between towing the 6,000 load of wood without a WD hitch and towing my 4,800 lb Airstream with a WD hitch. The trailer with a load of wood also did not seem to cause the Tundra to squat at all (see photos).

All in all, I was impressed the way the Tundra handled the load of wood without a wd hitch.

I was also shocked that a tandem axle trailer with two 3500 lbs axles could be built and licensed (Florida).

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Old 06-10-2013, 07:19 PM   #174
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Old 06-11-2013, 04:59 AM   #175
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I am not understanding the gvw of the trailer. Trailer gvw is cut and dry. 2 3500# axles is a 7000# gvw. Maybe 2800# is the payload of the trailer? I don't thinkmthat is the case because that would mean the trailer weighs 4200# empty, and we know itndoesn't. Most of the 6' x 16' trailers are 7000# trailers. My Airstream has 2 5000# axles for a 10,000# gvw. A car hauler with 2 7000# axles has a gvw of 14,000# and so forth and so on.
With a full load of wood on the bed my Tundra's suspension was compressed. I took some of the wood off the truck. As I was doing that, the truck was getting higher and higher. I drove around a couple weeks with the wood and the Airstream. I guess the weight distributing bars held it all up a little. We have 10 14,000# cargo trailers at work that we put we hitches on.
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Old 06-11-2013, 05:12 AM   #176
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Question Ccc>>>

The stickers' on the closet door in ours.....

Note the cargo carrying capacity for our Classic.
Note the GVWR.
FWIW....we are riding on 2 OEM 3500lb axles.

Consider yourself lucky your AS has 5k axles, they weren't that smart back in 2003.

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Old 06-11-2013, 05:27 AM   #177
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WildBill.

If you want to save a lot of money you could try a tire size change first.

If you don't do any serious off roading with your Z71 change the tires to 225/75R x 16" LT Load Range "D" tires. Yokohama Geolanders work well in this size. You will find it is a different truck that climbs substantially better. This is due to a substantial reduction in rolling resistance and a better effective gear ratio. As an added bonus your handling will be much more direct both towing and solo.

When climbing manually downshift when necessary and hold the engine around 3800-4000 RPM.

The 5.3 also works better with Premium fuel when towing, mileage improvement should about equal the extra cost. Also your Catalytic Convertors could be getting plugged at that age.

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Old 06-11-2013, 09:27 AM   #178
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Thanks Andrew,

Unfortunately I bought a set of tires before my purchase of the AS. I have Bridgestone Duellers, P225/70R/17 and they have quite a bit of tread left on them. A few years back my catalytic converters went out and I had them install Flo Masters for the added HP and was told better mileage. I have 303K on my Z71 and she runs fine. I'll try the premium fuel and when the time calls will replace with LT "D" tires. Thanks again for the info. Bill
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Old 06-11-2013, 10:21 AM   #179
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The stickers' on the closet door in ours.....

Note the cargo carrying capacity for our Classic.
Note the GVWR.
FWIW....we are riding on 2 OEM 3500lb axles.

Consider yourself lucky your AS has 5k axles, they weren't that smart back in 2003.

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Bob, I don't know where they get the GVWR rating. A practical look at it might be the axles don't carry their own weight or that of wheels/tires. Some weight is also carried by the trailer hitch. This suggests your axles are rated properly to their actual load?

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I have pulled our 1972 27' Overlander several times all the way across Texas and trips to Arizona, Utah, New Mexico and Colorado with our 5.3 Tahoe and it did great. But I load it like I load my backpack - if something is not necessary I don't pack it. It did shift down on long climbs and the engine started heating once climbing to the Grand Canyon. We use a load-leveler hitch and friction sway control and it tracked great. That said this year we will be towing with a 5.7 Sequoia and look forward to the extra torque and built-in sway control. The main reason we are changing is because the Tahoe has 200k miles and we were concerned with breakdowns, but we still drive the Tahoe every day and love it.
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Bob, I don't know where they get the GVWR rating. A practical look at it might be the axles don't carry their own weight or that of wheels/tires. Some weight is also carried by the trailer hitch. This suggests your axles are rated properly to their actual load?

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Doug,

I can really only go by what the AS axles are carrying, loaded for camping with WD set, trailer and TV level.....7640lbs on the CAT ticket.

A CCC of 640lbs is a travesty....

It IS interesting that JC has seen fit to upgrade the axles on some of the newer models.

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I got some of this wood off the truck. It had the suspension compressed.
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