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06-11-2013, 01:04 PM
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#181
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"Cloudsplitter"
2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas
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Originally Posted by dkottum
Bob, I don't know where they get the GVWR rating. A practical look at it might be the axles don't carry their own weight or that of wheels/tires. Some weight is also carried by the trailer hitch. This suggests your axles are rated properly to their actual load?
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Doug,
I can really only go by what the AS axles are carrying, loaded for camping with WD set, trailer and TV level.....7640lbs on the CAT ticket.
A CCC of 640lbs is a travesty....
It IS interesting that JC has seen fit to upgrade the axles on some of the newer models.
Bob
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06-12-2013, 06:16 AM
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#182
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Rivet Master
2013 30' Classic
Greenwood
, Mississippi
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I got some of this wood off the truck. It had the suspension compressed.
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06-12-2013, 06:32 AM
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#183
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Rivet Master
2014 31' Classic
2015 23' International
2013 25' FB International
Apache Junction
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Join Date: Sep 2012
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Our 2013 25FB International Serenity door label shows a GVW of 7,300 pounds with two axles rated 3,600 pounds each or 7,200 pounds in total which is less than the GVW of the trailer. The factory scaled weight coming off the production line was 5,665 pounds. Thus the payload at the factory was 1,665 pounds.
The 2013 International Parts list shows a 3,800 pound axle is used on the 25', 27' and 28' models (heaviest GVW of 7,600 pounds on 27' and 28') plus both Eddie Bauer models (27 model has GVW of 7,800 pounds) while two 3,000 pound rated axles are used on the two 23' models with GVW of 6,000 pounds. The 30' models got two 4,500 pound axles with a GVW of 8,800 pounds. The US model 19' gets a single 4,300 pound axle with a GVW of 4,500 pounds.
The factory literature said the tongue weight is 833 pounds, the Shureline scale reports 1,175 pounds ready to camp and the axles were carrying 5,880 pounds per the CAT scales. That should imply the trailer was at 7,055 pounds loaded leaving 245 pounds of payload available.
During that trip, we added three 6 gallon containers of fresh water to the tank (about 150 pounds) without dumping the black or gray water tanks.
I looked at the 2013 Classic parts book for axle ratings and found that all three models use the same two 5,000 pound rated axles. The 27FB has a GVW of 9,000 pounds while the two 31' models have a GVW of 10,000 pounds.
I think the door labels may not reflect the actual capacity of the installed axles. But the part numbers tell the truth.
One needs to do thorough research on the trailer weights before selecting a new TV and ensure the discovered information works properly with an existing TV.
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06-16-2013, 12:25 AM
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#184
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4 Rivet Member
2018 30' International
2014 30' Flying Cloud
Los alamos
, New Mexico
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 359
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Have the new F150 with the 6.2 3.75 gears should be able to handle my 27FB on order???
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06-16-2013, 03:53 AM
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#185
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Rivet Idiot
1999 34' Excella
Currently Looking...
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On The Lake
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Luigi123
Have the new F150 with the 6.2 3.75 gears should be able to handle my 27FB on order???
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It will be fine. Very good truck tv if set up properly.
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06-16-2013, 07:01 AM
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#186
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Rivet Master
2011 34' Classic
Westchester Cty.NY
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what model?
what will it weigh with all the options included?
do you carry much in the truck bed?
will you have a topper added?
what is the truck rated to tow as configured?
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2012 F150 Super Crew 5-1/2' bed Ecoboost 4x4 3.73 elec. lock diff. Propride hitch
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06-16-2013, 07:23 AM
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#187
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2 Rivet Member
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Plainfield
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Don't risk your life. There are very few vehicles that will properly pull and STOP a 30 ft Classic which requires 10000#. There is a good reason that vehicles are rated with different GVWRs which are clearly posted on the driver side door post or in the glove compartment. Also the trailer itself has a GVWR. It has to do with weight of tow vehicle, size and power of engine, transmission gears, axle gears, whether vehicle comes with trailering package, STOPPING power of brakes, tongue weight of trailer, weight of trailer, and of course whether you load the tow vehicle properly and whether you load the trailer properly e.g. over axles correctly, keep tires inflated correctly, etc. etc. Don't try to outsmart all of this.
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06-17-2013, 05:38 AM
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#188
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Rivet Master
2013 30' Classic
Greenwood
, Mississippi
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I don't feel my life is at risk at all...the OP said "propensity"...
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2006 Vivid Black Harley-Davidson Road King Classic
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06-18-2013, 07:03 AM
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#189
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Rivet Master
2014 31' Classic
2015 23' International
2013 25' FB International
Apache Junction
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Join Date: Sep 2012
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A common oversight with the smaller TVs is that smaller TVs lacks the braking capacity to stop the fully loaded rig going down the mountain road if the trailer brakes malfunction. Remember, the trailer has electric brakes (even the Airstream hydraulic disk brakes are electrically actuated), not surge brakes like a boat trailer.
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2014 31' Classic w/ twin beds, 50 amp service, 1000 watt solar system, Centramatics, Tuson TPMS, 12" disc brakes, 16" tires & wheels
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06-18-2013, 07:35 AM
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#190
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Rivet Master
2014 30' FB FC Bunk
Hoover
, Alabama
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I am leaning towards 3/4 ton in my case...considering 28 or 30' models...but after running some numbers, we have 2 kids growing family, and I have brothers and a sister that at times will want to camp...and I can already see that the payload will risk many times going over or overtly going over....
How much do generators weigh?
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06-18-2013, 07:38 AM
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#191
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Rivet Master
2005 39' Land Yacht 390 XL 396
Common Sense
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PharmGeek
How much do generators weigh?
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Depends on the size, but 60 pounds is a good estimate, and then there's the fuel.
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06-18-2013, 07:56 AM
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#192
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Rivet Master
2012 28' International
Currently Looking...
New Orleans
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Join Date: Apr 2002
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PharmGeek
How much do generators weigh?
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Depends on what you buy of course. I have 1 3000is and 2 2000i. The 3000 is my favorite because it lives on my boat and has a wireless remote start. If I had to move it every time I used the boat I am not so sure I would be so fond of it. The 2000's live in Rubbermaid ActionPackers always pickled and read to deploy for camping or Hurricane emergency use. Oil and cross connect cables plus surge protectors, back feed cables and extensions cords stay in the action packers with the gensets. If you do get a generator be sure to add an hour meter if not so equipped.
Honda 3000is 134 lbs. Dry
Honda 2000i 46.3 lbs. Dry
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06-26-2013, 08:13 PM
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#193
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Always learning
1972 29' Ambassador
1962 19' Globetrotter
1951 21' Flying Cloud
Central
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Join Date: Oct 2010
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Ram 1500 #18,350 max towing capacity? Now that is towing large!
I saw this this evening.
Sounds a bit far fetched.
A mistake?
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06-26-2013, 09:24 PM
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#194
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Rivet Master
2005 25' Safari
Salem
, Oregon
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Top
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Hi, I just searched that sight and the Dodge Ram 1500 will have that tow rating with the Cab and Chassis 3500 option.
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06-27-2013, 06:45 AM
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#195
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Rivet Master
2007 30' Classic
Oswego
, Illinois
Join Date: Jul 2010
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I think they may have meant GCWR...consistent with the Cab Chassis pages. The math would just about add up to GCWR.
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06-28-2013, 04:26 AM
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#196
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4 Rivet Member
2018 30' International
2014 30' Flying Cloud
Los alamos
, New Mexico
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 359
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Thanks everyone-awesome community to see the "help and advice" out there. I eventually found the answer I was looking for as my Airstream of choice is either the 25fb or 27fb both arriving at the dealer in September. My TV will be sorted out by then. Considered an "experienced model" AS; however, like the new wrap around windows on the newer models and hope to purchase one time prior to retirement to avoid "2 feet " wants later on.
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06-28-2013, 08:33 AM
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#197
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Rivet Master
1966 24' Tradewind
1995 34' Excella
Lynchburg
, Virginia
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 4,225
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dznf0g
I think they may have meant GCWR...consistent with the Cab Chassis pages. The math would just about add up to GCWR.
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Looks like a mistake to me. They show a max tow of 18,350 but when you look at the individual models, the max tow listed is 9,200.
Dan
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