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Old 10-14-2007, 08:22 AM   #1
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Towing a 27' Overlander with a Jeep Liberty

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There is a man buying our 1972 Overlander and he plans on towing it with a Jeep Liberty. I am not familiar with the Jeep, but I am thinking that it is not a good idea. Can somebody give me some info to give to this guy? He thinks because it has a 5000 lb towing capacity that it will be suitable to tow the Overlander.

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Old 10-14-2007, 08:32 AM   #2
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As far as I am conserned anything will pull the trailer. The only problem is contorl of the trailer. It will be pushing the jeep around. I can pull my AS with a 1952 jeep but towing it or controling ir is another story. What is he going to do up hill or worse going down hill.
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Old 10-14-2007, 08:39 AM   #3
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Towing a 27' Overlander with a Jeep Liberty

I own a truck and a Jeep Liberty. I would never consider towing my A/S with the Jeep though. It has enough power to pull the trailer, but, if there was a situation where we would need to stop quickly or if we were coming downhill etc....I would not feel safe. The trailer would be "pushing" the Liberty and we could lose control easily.

It's better to be safe than sorry.

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Old 10-14-2007, 09:08 AM   #4
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Not safe

Here's my reasoning why it's a bad idea:
  • Liberty wheelbase is only 104 inches. Very short and unstable.
  • Liberty weight is around 4000 lbs. Doesn't the Overlander weigh more? Talk about the cart bossing the horse.
  • Probably has the 3.7 L engine with automatic transmission. Does the truck really have the cooling capacity for the load?
  • Look at this link on the Jeep website. Jeep - 2008 Liberty - Capability - Performance - SUV - Sport Utility Vehicle Click on the towing link. What do they show? A basecamp, not a 27' trailer.
Show him some photos of what happens when well-matched vehicles and trailers get into extreme situations. Mention how he will be in an extreme situation before he ever starts moving with that combination. Perhaps you could allow him to drive your vehicle a short distance to understand the difference between a Suburban and a Liberty.

If you do sell, I would not let him tow the vehicle off my property with the Liberty. Exchange at a neutral site and walk away.

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Old 10-14-2007, 10:22 AM   #5
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I agree that a Liberty is overmatched in trying to safely handle a 27' trailer. I tow my 27-footer with an old full-size body-on-frame Wagoneer. While it's heavily modified for strength, power, braking & handling to deal with even larger loads, it still has a 'mere" 109-inch wheelbase and weighs "only" 5,000 lb, and that means I have to be on my toes at all times.

He could probably get the trailer home at 30 MPH if he lives very close by, but that rig should not be considered for highway use. Did you by chance catch that e-bay item where the guy flipped a 27-footer while trying to tow with an ExTerra? Sounds like a repeat performance in the works here. I missed that auction, so I'd appreciate it if you tell the guy that, if he does crash it, I'll give him 500 bucks for it.
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Old 10-14-2007, 11:21 AM   #6
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Click on this link for a relevant and interesting thread.

Woodalls Open Roads Forum: Towing with our 2006 Jeep Liberty CRD (turbodiesel)
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Thanks for all the great replies. I am going to talk with the guy today, I will let you know what he decides!
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Old 10-14-2007, 11:51 AM   #8
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I've got a friend who tows a large popup with a similar size 6-cylinder Toyota Highlander. He hate hills, wind and so much more. He feels his Highlander struggle and think's he's at the max of what it can handle. And guess what? It has a 5000 tow capacity too!

Tow capacity is the most Madison Avenue spec on any TV. It's usually quite inflated, very subjective --- and on top of all that, good safe towing occurs in a range where you don't exceed 80-85% of any spec: payload (load) capacity, tow capacity, GCWR.

This was mentioned before: http://www.airforums.com/forums/f238...ost-36080.html
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Old 10-14-2007, 11:57 AM   #9
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He could probably get the trailer home at 30 MPH if he lives very close by, but that rig should not be considered for highway use. Did you by chance catch that e-bay item where the guy flipped a 27-footer while trying to tow with an ExTerra? Sounds like a repeat performance in the works here. I missed that auction, so I'd appreciate it if you tell the guy that, if he does crash it, I'll give him 500 bucks for it.
If I recall the thread on that flipped rig, it was not a TV issue, the guy was towing at interstate speeds with only one sway/WD arm (the other had snapped).

It is certainly possible with a good driver and properly set up WD/swaybars - but there are too many variables to get a consensus on this Forum for the guy towing a 27' with the Liberty.

It is quite possible however that your question has all the elements needed to start another long lively TV debate. And The Answer issssssssssssss - get a 3/4 ton diesel.
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AlbertF.. The link you provided is an eye opener.

It goes to show that that there is a lot more to the "science of towing" and "tow vehicle analysis", than the tow rating, the wheel base, and dated rule of thumb number crunching.
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Ok, I talked to the guy. I let him know about all the info, and my concerns. He and his son are now going to pick up the camper in his son's dodge 3500 to take it home. He will use this til he finds a more suitable tow vehicle. Again thanks to all for the great advice and information.
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Old 10-14-2007, 06:25 PM   #12
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There is a man buying our 1972 Overlander and he plans on towing it with a Jeep Liberty. I am not familiar with the Jeep, but I am thinking that it is not a good idea. Can somebody give me some info to give to this guy? He thinks because it has a 5000 lb towing capacity that it will be suitable to tow the Overlander.

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I own a Jeep Liberty(Cherokee 3.7 Extreme Sport A as it's called over here - running on LPG) I have towed a Overlander with it but it was stripped out ready for conversion. That said, it still took great care. I would describe the problem as "jittery yaw"
The overhang on longer trailers means sway is increased and the short wheelbase of the Liberty(which I adore, btw) can't handle the sheer forces as the tail wags the dog!
If you want a white knuckle ride try a UK caravan as I did a couple of weeks ago. It was 22ft and just over a ton but, in keeping with Euro rules, has a hitch weight of about 100lb. It jumped all over the road in the lightest wind! It had a twin axle with 11" wheels that seemed to have their own route to get to their destination - a complete (expletive deleted) nightmare!!
Even on tiny, winding British roads, I can throw my Caravel into a corner and change down heading for the next straight.
Ps, I hear that, because lighter tow vehicles(Euro/Japanese) are becoming more popular in the US, Airstream are considering drastically reducing their hitch weights. Be aware that stability will suffer as a result!
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