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Old 01-23-2009, 05:29 PM   #71
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The 25' and the 28' Flying Cloud / Safaris both weigh in at a GWVR of 7300# - it's pretty safe to compare the two interchangeably. Any differences as to how they feel behind a TV would probably be negligible .

Another point you raised that I've wondered about is when you said "It's possible a 1/2 ton Brand A could be superior in some or many regards to a 3/4 ton Brand B." It makes me wonder how the 1/2 ton Brand A (Tundra) stacks up to the 3/4 ton Brand B (F-250). I'd love to know how the Tundra would perform (compared to the 250) hauling our 28' Safari through the Rockies.

All in all we're very pleased with the new F-250. It's towing capabilities are amazing!
The difference between the 25' and the 28' depends on which 25'. Tongue wt. on the 25 FB is 720#, 25 is 860#, 25 SS 750#, 28, 830#. That was important to me because of the limits on payload for the Tundra. GVWR for the 25 FB, 25 SS and 28 are all 7,300# and the 25 is 7,000#. Of course we never fill our FB to the brim, or think we don't. I tend to agree there's not much difference, but tongue wt. on the 28' is about 15% more than the 25 FB, and maybe that does make a difference. Another variable is how much each person loads into their trailer.

Glad to hear your combo works for you.


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Old 01-23-2009, 05:43 PM   #72
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hi and wlcome.. i have 2007 tundra and tow 31ft excella it is the best tv. brakes are the best of any truck..tranny the best ..payload 1495 not 1/2 ton 3/4 ton..you can drive it all day long and never mget tired..if you have a crew max like i do up-grade the tires. this truck turns the mountains into prairie.
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Old 01-23-2009, 07:19 PM   #73
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...and we Toyota owners generally boast of reliability (with a few recent and notable exceptions)....Gene
Gene - as I mentioned in a previous post, IMHO the Toyota cars that I've had have been the best that I've ever driven or owned. What are the notable exceptions that you're speaking of???
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Old 01-23-2009, 09:15 PM   #74
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Jim & Rod, what I meant was not that recent Toyotas were bad, but two people who have posted here recently state they had bad experiences with Toyotas. Sorry for the vagueness in language.

Of course, the early V-6 engines in the '90's had problems and many people got new engines. That's the biggest problem I can remember. When Toyota has a recall, it's so rare it becomes big news. More and more manufacturers are adopting Toyota's system of QC, so the room at the top of reliability is becoming crowded. Generally all manufacturers are much better than they used to be and we can thank Toyota for leading the way. Now if Airstream could adopt the same QC methods, wouldn't that be great?

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Ahhh I knew I had it somewhere... bury'ed in the computers vast memory... sometime back someone did a study... on vehicle lengths (trailers) to wheel bases. I.e short wheelbase and the vehicle becomes unstable... Longer wheel bases and the stability returns... They did a mathmatical analysis of which length should be used for what lengths of trailers... and here it is... of course you also have to take into account the weight of the vehicle vs the towed vehicle... but they went with just the wheel base lengths paramiters because most that have longer wheelbases also have higher vehicle weights which then require also heaver breaks and running gear also... .

Check it out.... and see if you agree.

For the first 110" of wheelbase, this allows you 20' of trailer.
For each additional 4" of wheelbase, this gets you 1' more of trailer.

Here is a chart: Wheelbase Length Wheelbase Length 110" 20' 150" 30' 114" 21' 154" 31' 118" 22' 158" 32' 122" 23' 162" 33' 126" 24' 166" 34' 130" 25' 170" 35' 134" 26' 174" 36' 138" 27' 178" 37' 142" 28' 182" 38' 146" 29' 186" 39' (This guideline was first used by the RV Consumers FHSA and NTSB Group)


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Sorry but I couldn't get the chart to print out in collums... but as you can see the WB relates to the Trailer lenght by picking through it.
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GMAs,

Thanks for confirming with the wheelbase chart that Tundras can pull long trailers. The double cab or crew cab short bed is 145.7"=26'. The double cab long bed is 164.6=33.5'.

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Your Welcome... oh by the way.... did I mention that the WB chart was only done for US manufactured Vehicles ONLY.. back then. (guess who participated in the study.. yep good old AS at the research facality set up by the Fed DOT, FHWA At the time it was done most Toys and Dats and Splats.. were still built over in Japan...

Just to clairify it a little... but I would think even today it might hold out true... except for the fact that OURS is probably now being used as parts for some mexicans tractor down in Baja... or who knows... they may have recycled it into your new truck fraim. Just think.. you may be driving around on my old steel... Now thats fitting and conforting to know. (smile)
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So Libo, ain't 'ya glad 'ya started this thread?Hope you're enjoying your new Airstream

We all have good intentions, really we do.

Hey 'fella's this thread ended at post #25
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OK, it's official. Before I even got a chance to read all of your posts we had made a deal on a 28' Safari. So, I guess I will be your test case. I will be towing a 28' with a Toyota Tundra 5.7 V8. I guess my next step is to look in to this famous hitch system everyone is talking about, Hensley. I want to outfit my truck ASAP so that I can pick up my new Airstream. Thanks for all your replies. Lia & Bob
Congratulations! Welcome to the world of Airstreaming! You'll love it.

The 28' Safari is the best layout in the line - but that's my personal bias. We're thrilled with ours.

Let us know how the Tundra goes and make sure you post lots of pictures.
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