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Old 08-10-2005, 07:32 PM   #29
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I have no clue...I have read several articles by Andy from Can-Am. I know to pull a heavy trailer like an AS with a Windstar requires some serious modifications to the tow vehicle. I would ask him what is involved and how much it will cost up front. Also I strongly suspect it may affect the manufacturers warranty too. But the tort and liability system in Canada is different from the one here in the states so it may be possible legally. I would defintely want to test drive one of his rigs and make my decison based on that. For day in and day out towing I would not do it. Maybe see if he will hook that AS up to the Freestar he has set up...

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Come on now ...

You try to stop that rig when the Airstream's brakes happen not to work for some reason.

This is not a practical nor safe set-up ... no matter who sets it up.
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Have a truck pass you in opposite direction on two lane highway and you are guaranteed to be in the ditch.
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Old 08-10-2005, 08:11 PM   #32
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Not in this space-time continuum!

We own a '98 WIndstar, it supposedly has a towing capacity of 4200#. After driving this car for 135,000 miles and 7 years, I wouldn't even THINK about towing more than a couple of thousands pounds. There is no steel frame, the biggest V6 engine is completely inadequate and the tranny is much too wimpy. This vehicle has been a great car for us (insert your mini-van joke here!) but it is simply not designed to tow stuff.

I'll stick with my F150 for towing duties.

Just my non-engineering, newby, but practical experience, opinion.

Now back to my orginal question before this thread got split. Which wheels was Andy referencing, the TV or the TT? (See below)

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Which wheels are we talking about, the trailer or the tow vehicle? I know it's important that both be working properly, but which do you think caused this particular problem? As always, thanks for the "heads up", Andy.
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Old 08-10-2005, 08:27 PM   #33
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We own a '98 WIndstar, it supposedly has a towing capacity of 4200#. After driving this car for 135,000 miles and 7 years, I wouldn't even THINK about towing more than a couple of thousands pounds. ...This vehicle has been a great car for us (insert your mini-van joke here!) but it is simply not designed to tow stuff...
Now back to my orginal question before this thread got split. Which wheels was Andy referencing, the TV or the TT? (See below)
Jim & Susan,

No minivan joke here, we love our 1998 Chrysler Town & Country, but we tow with the Lincoln or Dodge PowerWagon.

I think that Andy was referring to balancing the trailer wheels and tires.

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Have a truck pass you in opposite direction on two lane highway and you are guaranteed to be in the ditch.
If you had a different tow vehicle, why would you not go in the ditch?
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Old 08-10-2005, 08:40 PM   #35
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If you had a different tow vehicle, why would you not go in the ditch?
….Because of the inherent stability of a much heavier tow vehicle, with a heavy frame, with a beefier suspension, with a larger engine, with a longer wheel base, on a longer tow vehicle, that has better weight distribution characteristics, etc, etc.

Even if the manufacturer says it can be done, that doesn’t mean it’s a good idea. As in my earlier post, we love our Windstar, but wouldn’t even consider towing with it.

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I have no clue...I have read several articles by Andy from Can-Am. I know to pull a heavy trailer like an AS with a Windstar requires some serious modifications to the tow vehicle. I would ask him what is involved and how much it will cost up front. Also I strongly suspect it may affect the manufacturers warranty too. But the tort and liability system in Canada is different from the one here in the states so it may be possible legally. I would defintely want to test drive one of his rigs and make my decison based on that. For day in and day out towing I would not do it. Maybe see if he will hook that AS up to the Freestar he has set up...

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This quote is from Can-Am's web site:

"Can-Am is known throughout North America for our towing expertise. In fact, our President, Andy Thomson regularly contributes articles on the subject of towing to 3 major R.V. magazines, and co-hosts a London radio show."

I would hope that their towing expertise has been built on positive results from buyers.....
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[size=2]I would hope that their towing expertise has been built on positive results from buyers.....
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From you posts it sounds like you're determined to do what you want, regardless of the comments placed before you.

If you can afford to pick-up an '06 Safari, I suggest that you also buy a late model TV that is up to the task. With an adequate set-up you will enjoy many care free adventurous miles. Isn't that what its all about?

Use the 'Search' tool ('advanced search') at the top of the page and search for previous threads on Tow Vehicles &/or late model Safaris ... you will find a plethora of discussions on what works and what doesn't.

The experience within this Forum is invaluable. Good luck with your decisions.
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Jim & Susan -- wkerfoot is correct about Andy's frequent recommendation to balance the running gear. Evidently it is more complicated than balancing the tire & rim. Search these forums on "balance running gear" or variations of that. Also see some of the specific technique at Inland RV's website. It is difficult to find dealers or garages that understand this concept. If something placed on your counter vibrates onto the floor while underway, you may have a problem -- and it can shorten the life of "my precious."
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Canoe, good advice. I actually did visit Andy's website and read about wheel/tire balancing. I'll look again for running gear info. I am doing a "full Monty" right now and have found what I think is evidence of vibration damage amidships on the TT near the axles.

The picture posted on the original thread (before it was split) was of the A-frame area. This would lead me to think of the tow vehicle rear end, not necessarily the trailer. That was the nature of my original post.

BTW, you are near to becoming 5-rivet "Master"! Congrats are in order!

Once you take delivery of that '06, what are you going to do with that Argosy?
I've got a couple of ideas.......
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I have a 1987 29' Sovereign which airstream lists at 5300# but, I have put it on the scale and it is right at 7000# and that is not full water tanks.

I think you will be closer to 10,000#gcwr than to 8500# gcwr.

My brother had the gm mini van and towed a fairly heavy boat and it cost him two rear ends in the first 75,000miles. $800 for a first class job.
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Thanks Jim & Susan... Whoa, here WE ARE!!! No smarter, still crave 'gravy' (okay, not Homer Simpson..).

Not to hijack this thread, I'm doing the Por-15 backslide under my Argosy this weekend and puttin' back belly wrap. My old signature used to include "Trailer in 120-step recovery." 12 Steps wasn't enough. I've got about half of them done. I'll post it for sale, needing a future owner (FO?) handy in plumbing -- water & LP -- still needs a furnace & a hot water heater. Seems to be in fair order for the age...
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