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Old 01-14-2018, 07:39 PM   #1
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Tow Vehicle to Trailer and Hitch Options

We can debate Tow Vehicle capacity and Trailer combinations as well as coming to some conclusions, yet be uncomfortable with our decision.

Had I known having a different brand of HITCH may have improved my Tundra's weight transfer when towing my 25 foot International... it could have been a money saver. A difference of $27,176, higher annual taxes and insurance may have been avoided.

Information is not forthcoming from Trailer Corporate Engineers, Trailer Retail Sales as to appropriate Hitch Options and which Tow Vehicles are capable of not only TOWING/PULLING, but also have adequate brakes and suspension. We are in agreement that many tow vehicles can TOW/PULL many lengths of trailers.

It should be the responsibility of each Trailer Manufacturer to report which tow vehicle options are safe and reliable for each Model of Trailer being offered to the public. The Trailer Industry provides little information regarding any specific tow vehicle’s capability and safety load margin, while connected to any of their products.

The general public NEEDS to understand the relationship of trailer, tow vehicle and hitch options BEFORE purchase. This information has not been available, nor offered except as a cursory vagueness from the Sales Staff. (Personal Experience)

Several Airstream Dealers, also participating on the Forum, have been stellar members of the community and to their customers. Others, not so. (Personal Experience)

The manufacturers of Hitches could offer more information and match up a vehicle with a specific trailer and tow vehicle. Their engineers understand these relationships.

For Example:

- 2014 25 foot Airstream International Rear Bed

- Tow Vehicle (year(s) and model(s) specific), minimum specifications for towing and with safety margin for this trailer, loaded and unloaded capacity.

- Hitch options and the benefits of these combinations.

- Tire options that would be specific to each individual trailer.

Are there any comments? Are there clarifications needed? Is this asking too much? What have your experiences been in the past?

My experience has been the Sales People will sell me, almost, any trailer on the lot. Leaving me to decide if my tow vehicle and the hitch provided is apporpriate.

The Trailer Manufacturers can do this. The Insurance Industry is… mute. The Automobile Industry seems to be… mute about the trailer towing aspect of their products.

Should there be a National Requirement that this information be provided by the Manufacturers of Trailers to make available and chart trailer models to various options of tow vehicles and hitches that meet MINIMUM Safety Needs?

Or… like we are currently, the customer makes the decision, takes the liability of making the best decision possible, with no knowledge or total understanding as to wether their current or future Tow Vehicle is adequate for a specific trailer?

What do you say? If no one has any interest, we are all left with a disadvantage.

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Old 01-15-2018, 09:02 AM   #2
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The RVIA - Recreation Vehicle Industry Association covers Electrical, Plumbing, Heating and Fire Safety. The manufacturer uses the appliances and materials that the RVIA approves.

Why not go a bit further? Tow Vehicles and Hitch applications. Tires that may or may not be appropriate. The Trailer Industry has their representative. Why not the consumer?

Consumer Reports also seems to stay clear of this conversation... I am, obviously, having with myself. No doubt a subject that needs to be discussed.

This will be my last Thread and Post on the Airforums.

We should be tired of discussing plugged Black Water tanks, noisy fan complaints and running the Refrigerator, while traveling discussions. I am. I felt this was important. Probably, only to me personally. Makes me out of touch. I can understand.

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Old 01-15-2018, 11:25 AM   #3
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I think it’s a little ridiculous to expect trailer manufacturers to test every combination of every viable tow vehicle with every model of camper.

And even within specific tow vehicles there is wide variation in tow capability between trim levels and option packages.

No, it’s up to the buyer to research their tow vehicle’s capacities and understand how to use a WD hitch, and to know where their trailer falls within the capacities.
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Old 01-15-2018, 05:13 PM   #4
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I have to agree with post #3. I can't imagine requiring an RV manufacturer to test each and every tv/hitch combination for a given rig. Probably a wasted effort anyway because so many owners never bother to dial in their rig anyway.

What I would like to see is more accurate weight numbers for new trailers. Tongue weight figures based on an almost empty trailer aren't helpful.
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Old 01-20-2018, 10:57 AM   #5
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OK... one last post. Regarding the subject at hand... YOU may find this an impossible task. This is a matter of some minor research for a corporation. But... they do not want to take the liability. But, for those who even considered to read this Thread... your reward.

Subject: Men Are Just Happier People!

What do you expect from such simple creatures? Your last name stays put. The garage is all yours. Wedding plans take care of themselves. Chocolate is just another snack. You can never be pregnant. You can wear a white T-shirt to a water park. You can wear NO shirt to a water park.

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When the girls get their bill, out come the pocket calculators.

A man will pay $2 for a $1 item he needs.
A woman will pay $1 for a $2 item that she doesn't need but it's on sale.

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A woman worries about the future until she gets a husband.
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Old 01-20-2018, 05:54 PM   #6
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Tow Vehicle to Trailer and Hitch Options

Oh so true, and I’ve got 47 years of married (to the same lady) life experience that bears this out.

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