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01-27-2009, 12:00 PM
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Rivet Master
2005 39' Land Yacht 390 XL 396
Common Sense
, Texas
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 5,319
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Tow Vehicle Modifications
I'm interested in hearing from the ones of you that have done modifications to your tow vehicle to increase towing performance....things like exhaust system, intake system, and computer mods, etc., what vehicle it was done to, and what if any performace increases you have experienced. Additionally, did the mods improve or decrease fuel mileage?
Let's hear about them.
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01-27-2009, 12:49 PM
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"Cloudsplitter"
2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas
, Malebolgia
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 20,000
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1995 2500 Sub. 3/4 454, 3:70 diff.
Mods done w/new approx. 18000mi.
Gail Banks Power-Pac w/stainless headers & cold air intake, Jet six-pack programable computer chip, Accel Double Strike Ignition, stainless low temp thermo, Bosch Plus4 Plat plugs & Jacobs silicone wires. Tekonsha external transmission filter with temp gage. All Synthetic lube, diff's, t-case and all. Water injection w/needed, (blue washer fluid actually).
Gained ave. 3mpg w/towing. Over 165000mi. With a lot more power and torque.
It's really only cost effective when spread out over many miles.
ps. it's for sale.
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01-27-2009, 03:53 PM
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Moderator Emeritus
1964 26' Overlander
1978 Argosy Minuet 6.0 Metre
Anna
, Illinois
Join Date: Sep 2002
Posts: 5,718
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Tow Vehicle Modifications
My 1975 Cadillac has received a custom full dual exhaust system including low-restriction/high-flow dual catalytic converters and low-restriction/high-flow dual baffle-type mufflers utilizing 2" pipes. Also added was a custom 5-row core radiator, GMC Motorhome water pump, and heavy duty clutch fan similar to that used on GMC Motorhomes. Carburetor rebuilt to GMC Motorhome specifications.
The modifications made no difference in fuel economy either solo or towing. The positives included: - Driver no longer gets hot-foot from single-restrictive catalytic converter.
- Air Conditioner now has a fighting chance to cool the cabin as the improved flow of the exhausts help to keep interior heat gain down.
- Power production is improved --
- smoother speed gain when towing
- more responsive when starting from stop on grade
- reduced lag in speed gain when passing while towing
With the modifications above, the Cadillac easily tows my Minuet anywhere in the Lower-48 with minimal concern. While it can handle the Overlander in the Rocky Mountains, I am more comfortable keeping East of the Rocky Mountains when towing the Overlander.
After modifications, the solos economy is 12 MPG Solo and 6 to 10 MPG towing -- around 9 MPG average for towing. This is not a tow vehicle for rushed trips as it only has about a 150 mile cruising range per tank when towing.
Kevin
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Kevin D. Allen
WBCCI (Lifetime Member)/VAC #7864
AIR #827
1964 Overlander International
1978 Argosy Minuet 6.0 Metre
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01-27-2009, 07:09 PM
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More than one rivet loose
Currently Looking...
Los Alamos
, New Mexico
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 3,756
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveH
I'm interested in hearing from the ones of you that have done modifications to your tow vehicle to increase towing performance....things like exhaust system, intake system, and computer mods, etc., what vehicle it was done to, and what if any performace increases you have experienced. Additionally, did the mods improve or decrease fuel mileage?
Let's hear about them.
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Mods,
Direct read Oil Pressure, Direct read oil temp, Direct read Trans temp, Pyrometer. Airspeed and Altimeter, OAT and System Voltage.
As for chipping. I considered it. I am waiting until the 100,000 mile warrenty expires. Even resetting to Factory spec leaves a trace in the Fords Computer.
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Michelle TAC MT-0
Sarah, Snowball
Looking for a 1962 Flying Cloud
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01-27-2009, 09:03 PM
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Moderator
2015 25' FB Flying Cloud
2012 23' FB Flying Cloud
2005 25' Safari
Santa Rosa Beach
, Florida
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 13,159
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2005 GMC Youkon XL 2500 Quadrasteer
Cold air intake - pulls stronger; no real gas mileage improvement.
Aftermarket Class IV receiver; the OEM receiver is junk
-Brian
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SuEllyn & Brian McCabe
WBCCI #3628 -- AIR #14872 -- TAC #FL-7
2015 FC 25' FB (Lucy) with ProPride
2020 Silverado 2500 (Vivian)
2023 Rivian R1T (Opal)
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01-27-2009, 09:05 PM
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Klatawa (to travel)
1965 24' Tradewind
Currently Looking...
Bremerton
, Washington
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 150
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1965 Suburban 350 350 turbo trans 4.11 gears
I have added power disc brakes, the original drum brakes were only good for one quick stop. Replaced the intake with a edelbrock performer Manifold and caburator. K&N filter, NGK Iridium spark plugs, wires and headers. All of this helped in performance and gas milage. The thing that I have added that helped the most was a GearVendors overdirve. This unit has droped my gears to 3.33 and rpms by 600 rpm. I now get 11 mpg towing and 14 mpg daily. I use the burb for my daily driver and for my business.
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Klatawa
(Dave & Debbie)
1965 24' Tradewind
2015 Chev Silverado HC
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01-27-2009, 10:01 PM
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:SPACE A" S/O 11 Air19745
2006 34' Classic S/O
Fort Worth
, Texas
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 1,766
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* I have installed a Talon USA full air ride system on my 2007, new body style, ľ Ton HD, GMC Sierra. What a heavy duty kit. The ride is level and smooth in all regimens, empty or loaded. This system replaces the original HD springs with large tractor trailer air bags. All four original shocks are replaced with adjustable HD shocks. There is no dipping or pitching during braking or acceleration. The system has a hold and kneeling feature to facilitate hooking up fifth wheel trailers. The kit is about $4000 and installation around $2000. I have no monetary interest in Talon USA. You can find them on the web at <talon-usa.com>.
Gus,
Space "A"
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01-27-2009, 10:50 PM
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Rivet Master
2005 25' Safari
Salem
, Oregon
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 8,376
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Hi, 2000 Lincoln Navigator; Changed worn out brake pads to Ceramic pads. No other changes necessary or wanted.
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Bob 2005 Safari 25-B
"Le Petit Chateau Argent" Small Silver Castle
2000 Navigator / 2014 F-150 Eco-Boost / Equal-i-zer / P-3
YAMAHA 2400 / AIR #12144
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01-28-2009, 05:36 AM
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Rivet Master
Currently Looking...
St. Catharines
, South Western Ontario
Join Date: Aug 2002
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ROBERTSUNRUS
Hi, 2000 Lincoln Navigator; Changed worn out brake pads to Ceramic pads. No other changes necessary or wanted.
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Our case is identical to yours Bob. Although it won't help fuel mileage they do work great (and keep the rims much cleaner) Hawk HPS brake pads. With a V6 we have more than enough power and very good economy compared to most.
Hawk Performance HPS Brake Pads
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01-29-2009, 01:48 PM
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Moderator dude
1966 26' Overlander
Phoenix
, Arizona
Join Date: Apr 2002
Posts: 7,507
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A second tranny cooler, RV shift kit in tranny and an electric fan infront of the radiator. Especially in a van configuration cooling air doesn't flow as well as other TV body types. Plus it get's fipping hot here.
The shift kit really helped the EAOD tranny I have. Less slipping and less heating up the fluid.
I also installed a less restrictive muffler. Didn't see much improvement in the towing experience.
>>>>>>>>>>>Action
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1966 Lincoln 4 door Convertible 462 4V 1971 Ford LTD Convertible 429 4V Phoenix ~ Yeah it's hot however it's a dry heat!
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02-02-2009, 05:32 AM
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Rivet Master
2005 39' Land Yacht 390 XL 396
Common Sense
, Texas
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 5,319
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Thanks everyone for your input. It is appreciated.
But surely there are others who have done some mods to their tow vehicles....please tell us about them, and the results.
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02-02-2009, 06:14 AM
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Halimer
2006 25' Classic
New Hyde Park
, New York
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 244
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I did the following to a 2002, Ford F350, 2wd, Crew Cab, SRW, long bed, 7.3 PSD:
Banks exhaust system
Banks turbo elbow
Banks turbo waster gate
Banks 'Trans Command'
AFE Air cleaner
Use Standyne Blue and occasionally Amsoil Cetane Boost
Amsoil in engine, tranny, rear end, power steering.
I went from 12-15mpg around town to 14-16 mpg around town, 13-16 mpg to 15-19mpg on the highway. Towing I went from 10-13mpg to 11-14 mpg.
mark
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02-02-2009, 06:48 AM
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Rivet Master
1967 26' Overlander
Owings Mills
, MD
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 1,125
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By asking for mileage data, it would seem your interest is on engine modifications that increase horsepower or torque. I imagine the most common modifications involve durability and stability. Towing puts a heavier load on a vehicle. This suggests high quality synthetic fluids, additional cooling capacity and temperature gauges for the transmission and rear differential. I purchased a finned aluminum differential cover that adds about a quart of fluid capacity. It doesn't sound like much, but the rear differential runs cooler now. Some guys install airbags to better control the suspension. There are other add ons that improve suspension. Even quality shocks like Bilsteins represent a major upgrade over stock. For me, towing power is mostly buying a vehicle with an adequately sized engine. I'm generally more worried about stopping than getting the wagon train rolling. You can't go wrong with brake upgrades... at least on most vehicles.
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02-02-2009, 07:58 AM
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Rivet Master
1994 30' Excella
alexandria
, Kentucky
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 2,320
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1990 Jeep Grand Wagoneer - project vehicle to have fun.
Aluminum crossflow radiator - outstanding cooling performance
Edelbrock dual plane intake manifold
Ditch the carburetor - went GM throttle body but will be upgrading to port fuel injection. Has given great throttle response and allowed the engine to breath easier with the tbi setup.
Engine is currently getting a new custom grind cam - this will increase power across the board. Will be running about 9:25 to 1 compression which will keep me in the 87 octane range.
Will probably go headers into a single 2.5" exhaust for more low end torque. Currently have a Magnaflow high flow muffler and cat. - Has a nice tone without the drone.
Expected fuel mileage - 15 hwy not towing and 11 towing.
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02-02-2009, 08:02 AM
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"Cloudsplitter"
2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas
, Malebolgia
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 20,000
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Haven't done/needed to do any research on the new air suspension system's. Just how do they improve, better control suspension for towing? I've read here that some feel they actually do more harm than good.
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02-02-2009, 08:31 AM
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1 Rivet Short
1989 25' Excella
By The Bay
, Rhode Island
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 1,620
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Front hitch for bikes...
365 hp
650 lb/ft
15mpg towing
24-25 mpg unladed
What mods could possibly help?
Bill
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02-02-2009, 08:52 AM
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Rivet Master
1967 26' Overlander
Owings Mills
, MD
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 1,125
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My brother runs air suspension on his Toyota Tundra pulling a 26' "box" with slide-outs. I haven't made a final choice on a TV, let suspension tweaks. He likes the air bags, in part because the stock suspension is a little soft, in part because he does a lot of boondocking off the hard road. He thinks the bags give him a way to "tune" the suspension for his daily driver. As always, your mileage may vary.
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02-02-2009, 09:37 AM
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Rivet Master
1969 25' Tradewind
Irmo
, South Carolina
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 744
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Bigger open exhaust to reduce EGTs and avoid melting the turbo down, boost and exhaust temp gauges, aftermarket class IV hitch, Cipa extendable towing mirrors, rear view camera to aid in hitching up, and changed all fluids to synthetics including the differential. Naturally there's always plans in the works for a few more gadgets here and there.
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AIR #8891
Unrestored 1969 25' Tradewind
Overkill Tow Vehicle of the Year Award:
2001 GMC 3500 4x4 Dually 6.6L Duramax
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02-07-2009, 04:24 AM
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Rivet Master
2004 30' Classic Slideout
2021 33FB Classic
Colleyville
, TX
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 1,540
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Advertisers make grand promises of additional power with "Bolt On" engine mods; however, I would be wary of such claims. My experience with sports cars indicates otherwise. To prove this to myself I put my Corvette on a dyno before and after various "Bolt On" mods and found only a slight 7hp gain after various mods i.e. air cleaners, headers, cross pipes and mufflers. You may find that a change in base power plant and gear ratio work best and that may be easier accomplished by the obvious. I'm certain that other 'gearheads' can chime in here with more detailed advice for you. Good luck.
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02-09-2009, 06:49 AM
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Vintage Kin
Fort Worth
, Texas
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 8,014
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I've fooled around with cars for a long time. Experience is that sometimes an increase is seen, but there is no free lunch accompanying it. As above, most mods take a tremendous amount of miles to pay off.
Overall, stiffer rear gears do the most. The tradeoff is a lower cruising speed for the same economy.
My truck is geared with a 3.73 limited slip. Great balance of power, great rpm range in each gear (manual transmission truck; and that is a narrow range compared to a gas motor), great performance (power AND economy) when towing or solo . . . but only if I keep the solo cruising at about 66 mph, the top end of the rpm "sweet spot".
My "economy" (fuel mileage solo, only) would improve if I went to numerically lower rear gears. But I would lose the great blend I have now.
The reason I chose a 2003-4 Cummins powered truck is that the balance was about as perfect as it could get. Not many tow vehicles see 19 mpg around town.
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