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Old 02-27-2014, 03:34 PM   #29
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Yukon Denali experience

We tow a 2013 Flying Cloud 25FB with a 2010 Yukon Denali (short wheelbase version). We have the weighed the combination a few times, including empty and during a camping trip.

Our experience, and the experience of others reported on Airforums, is that when a 25FB is loaded, the tongue weight goes up, not down. My tongue weight is usually around 900 pounds. It once was 960, when my waste tanks were partially full.

My trailer has twin beds, and no factory options on it. We travel relatively light. We have used both a Blue Ox and an EAZ-Lift hitch. Each weighs less than half of the ProPride. So you'll probably come close to the tongue weight limit.

As for the receiver on your Yukon, it may have changed in the years between 2010 and now. We noticed that there was visible flex in our receiver--downward when the trailer was dropped on the ball, and upward when the weight distribution was applied. Also, I was told by an experienced dealer that this flex was typical for the vehicle, and would mean some difficulty getting good weight distribution. I called around to some local hitch shops, and non of them offered a stronger receiver, and none of them would strengthen/reinforce the existing receiver. I eventually had the receiver strengthened by a distant shop when I was on a trip visiting out-of-state relatives.
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Old 02-27-2014, 03:44 PM   #30
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Thanks for everyone's input and we will for forth with increased knowledge.
Couple more thoughts/ questions...
Shouldn't I consider tongue weight and rear axel weight with the WD jacks unloaded rather than loaded? ie. worst case scenario...
Also, any input as to how much weight a ProPride hitch will add to my trailer tongue weight?
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Old 02-27-2014, 04:02 PM   #31
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The shipping weight of a ProPride hitch is 230lbs. A little less in use. To answer your question about the tongue weight, I would not worry about worst case scenario because all of these hitches are rated with a safety margin.

The only times I have seen any of them break were the earlier model GM's when corrosion got to them, and in an accident. It may be a good thing for them to break in an accident.
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Old 02-27-2014, 04:06 PM   #32
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Any thoughts on my tongue weight exceeding the recommended 15% of loaded trailer?
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Old 02-27-2014, 04:10 PM   #33
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Tongue weight is one of those things you really can't do much about, it is what it is. You can help a little when loading the trailer to pay attention and NOT put anything heavy in the front, but on the other hand, you don't want to put anything heavy in the rear of the trailer either. By doing this in extreme situations will increase the tendency of the trailer to sway.

Even with the group on this forum, it is fairly well accepted that the 25' Airstream is easily towed with a 1/2 ton vehicle, but then anything about tow vehicles can start a "discussion" here.
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Old 02-27-2014, 04:21 PM   #34
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I'm finding that out!
Cheers and thanks for the input
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Old 02-27-2014, 06:33 PM   #35
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Yes, I agree, everyone has to make their own decisions. The problem is two fold as I see it: 1. People with little to no experience come on the forum and ask for input on tow vehicles, and then they get too many instructions in too many directions because there are many different combos that work. That's when the, uh, should I say debates start. 2. And this is just my opinion, the moderators have a different definition than I about the difference between "debate", and "argument".

Compared to some other forums that I read at times, this one is very civilized.
1. Agree
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Old 02-27-2014, 06:50 PM   #36
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The half ton truck manufacturers and sellers still say their trucks will tow most travel trailers.
The travel trailer manufacturers and sellers still say their trailers are "half ton towable".
I can see "making it work" if you already own a certain tow vehicle.
There is a little more flexibility to get "the right tow vehicle" if you do not currently own a tow vehicle of any kind and are looking to buy a tow vehicle.
I would never consider buying another pickup when the one I've got has 34,000 miles and 2 payments left. I don't care how inadequate anyone thinks it is.
It is funny that there was no arguing about tow vehicles at Canopener with maybe 89 trailers.
There were tow vehicles of every make, model, size, type.
There was a Jeep Grand Cherokee, a Kia Borrego, a Dodge Dakota, a Dodge Durango, and 6 Tundras besides the 1/2, 3/4, and 1 ton Chevy, Dodge, and Ford pickups.
There were Suburbans and Econoline vans and even a Land Rover Discovery.
I am sure a 6.2 Denali will pull any trailer Airstream ever made.
Before I bought my 30, I attempted to buy a 34 from a lawyer here. I was planning to pull it with my Tundra. He pulled it with a Lincoln Navigator.
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Old 02-27-2014, 07:05 PM   #37
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I saw a comercial with a Toyota towing the Space shuttle, shurely it can tow a 30' Airstream. We all know advertizers never exagerate.
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I saw a comercial with a Toyota towing the Space shuttle, shurely it can tow a 30' Airstream. We all know advertizers never exagerate.
Did you miss the tiny print in the lower right corner (Toyato Tundra cannot really tow a space shuttle, do not try this at home)

As if i could fit a truck and a space shuttle in my home!
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Old 02-27-2014, 07:23 PM   #39
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Getting a little off point here, but...
Have y'all,seen the video of a jet airliner landing and the front landing gear would not deploy.
A Nissan Frontier runs out on the Tarmac under the plane and the plane lands it's nose in the bed of the pickup?
Really?
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Old 02-27-2014, 07:55 PM   #40
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Weights without weight distribution

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Thanks for everyone's input and we will for forth with increased knowledge.
Couple more thoughts/ questions...
Shouldn't I consider tongue weight and rear axel weight with the WD jacks unloaded rather than loaded? ie. worst case scenario...
Also, any input as to how much weight a ProPride hitch will add to my trailer tongue weight?
Most receivers have two different ratings--one with WD and one without. On my receiver, the weight limits are 1000 pounds vs. 500. So going without WD means going way over. Being within limits even without WD means having a small trailer.

Also, you would probably be well over your rear axle weight rating without WD. On my rig, my rear axle was 3180 with WD and 4560 without. The rear axle rating is 4200.

I don't worry about moving my trailer around a parking lot, or to a different camp site in a campground, without WD applied, but I would not go out on the highway without it.
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I've noticed that most manufacture tongue weight ratings are exactly 10% of the vehicles maximum tow rating. Seems bogus as these ratings go up and down for identical vehicles, just different trims and engine sizes. I wouldn't sweat a hundred pounds over.
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