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Old 03-13-2010, 04:55 PM   #15
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So from what I understand, the best choice would be a 3/4 ton pickup with a class IV hitch and Pro Pride.

What I don't understand about the Touareg is that the OEM hitch are rated at 770 lbs tongue weight for a 7716 lbs tow capacity. From what I have seen, tongue weight should be between 9 and 15% of trailer weight. So it seems very difficult to tow a trailer near the touareg capacity with that hitch (1% latitude on the tongue weight).
IF your weights are correct, the tongue weight % is right, BUT your towing at the MAX limit of the hitch,(receiver).

I can almost guarantee that fully loaded your 25er will have a tongue weight over 770lb.

Not something I would consider.

I would rather have more than I need, than need more than I have.

POI.. Loaded for camping at the Lake we have had a tongue wt. of 1100lb and a trailer axle wt. of 7680 with WD bars set and trailer level.
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Old 03-13-2010, 05:23 PM   #16
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I'm with Brian about the advantages of the 25 -- we sold our 22 for three reasons only, despite a stunningly wonderful galley.

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With your perfect size, my question is total length, does the 25 include the hitch? Is this a tongue to bumper length?
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Old 03-13-2010, 05:55 PM   #17
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So, you want fuel efficiency? We get 16 mpg towing our fully-loaded 25FB with the pre-2007.5 Dodge 5.9L Cummins. The truck is not even broken in yet. The newer 6.7L is not as efficient as it should be.

If the 25FB is the trailer of your dreams, save yourself the cost of the trade-in and buy right in the first place. You can pay now or you can pay later.
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Old 03-13-2010, 06:14 PM   #18
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With your perfect size, my question is total length, does the 25 include the hitch? Is this a tongue to bumper length?
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Length does not include the tongue in the later models.

We too feel we have the right size, the 25 is perfect for us.
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Simon, you could always move some ballast aft of the axles. This would lower the tongue weight without lowering the overall weight.
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Old 03-13-2010, 06:59 PM   #20
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Our 2005 25FB is 25' 11" from the ball to the rear bumper.

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I started looking for used diesel crew cab pick up. The only I ever drove was a ford f-350 (2007 or so) and the fuel efficiency was not fantastic. I hear good think about the 2006 GMC with duramax, so if I find one, it will be a good contender.
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We have a 23' Flying Cloud with the couch (no dinette) and really like the open floor plan. The wife has a desk with a chair for her computer and the couch is great for lounging around. The size is just right for us; 23' includes the tongue. I just picked up a 2006 Silverado Duramax ccsb to replace my 2007 F150. 6 speed Allsion with tow/haul and grade braking plus diesel power says it all for me. 3/4 ton does give you bigger brakes, etc. Some will say it's overkill, but I want to be sure my tv is in charge of my trailer.

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Old 03-13-2010, 09:47 PM   #24
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Consider a van...

Our 2005 Chevy Express 3500 pulls our 25' Safari SEFB with no problems. The 1-ton 12 passenger van has a towing capacity of 10,000 lbs.

And it's so useful when we're not towing, too! We can take all the group in the campground on a tour, or we can pull the seats out and move a roomful of furniture. When we're on a long haul it's easy to set up a air mattress in the back and swap out with naps.

But ... when we're towing we get about 11 mpg. 14 mpg when we're not towing.

We have a gray van and it looks great with our silver Airstream, so we named the van Silvester and the trailer Silvia. What a great couple!
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Length does include tongue on 2005

Airstream calls our model a 25, and this is nominally the length from bumper to tongue. Actual specified length is 25'10", and this is similar to the 34's being closer to 35' than 24.

I hadn't heard A/S changed the naming convention on later models to exclude the tongue. Maybe this'll help with potential trailer length restrictions in some state parks -- we've heard (just rumor so far) California may start limiting use of state camping parks to trailers less than 30' or something like that.
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You really need to look at the Airstream Company spec sheet.

The Airstream 27 is actually 28'0", and the 28 is actually 27'11".

Therefore a 27 is LONGER than a 28, go figure.

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Old 03-14-2010, 09:42 AM   #27
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That's too funny, Brian.

I could sorta see the 35 being named a 34 -- who'd want to think they were towing 35' of trailer? "Yeah, the wife and me we've taken this mobile home all over this great country".

But to have assigned different length names to the Classics that were both 31s (one was called 30 and the other 31) and calling one a 27 and the other a 28 when their not only within one inch of each other but the 27 is the longer one? That's not even good "rounding up".

This is fun too -- only a few models are named and measured the same: the 23, the 30FB, 31DIN. That's it, just three of the many models worked out even. Not that they have to, but the fun is in how they rounded the numbers. Must have everything to do with marketing since it seems to make no common sense whatever.

35 just seems so much longer than 34 -- but maybe just because we've gotten used to the 34 name.
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Old 03-15-2010, 05:27 PM   #28
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Hey Simon...

Sent you a PM but this is here for others to read...

Here is the abridged version after lots of research of what I truly believe....

Nobody but those solely interested (even VW & Porsche to a point) understand towing with the "T-Rex & Pepper" and we know those stories of confusion (can\can not use weight displacement hitches, max weight T-Rex\Pepper can actually tow {more than advertised}, etc).....

I am very comfortable with us towing up to our 7,700 lbs (found folks towing beyond that on other continents - spoke with the Canadian who towed with the 30 footer and gained infamy via his story in RV Magazine ) and us towing with our "T-Rex's" up to 25 foot trailers (26 feet in total length - found folks towing longer as well but....) is fine but I would stay at 26 max for safety reasons...

Really, really, really LOVE the 25 footer layout better than the 23 footer - but the tongue weight from the start was over our 770 lb limit... It would be great if they made a 25 footer with a 770 lb tongue weight BEFORE my Hensley or Pro Pride were to come into play - they do (or did) in the 2009 25 foot Airstream Classic.

Sooooo - found a brand new 2009 Airstream Classic on the opposite coast and purchased it just now - 780 lb tongue weight dry (yea no propane in the tanks - but throw in my Hensley or Pro Pride and I'm very, very comfortable) good weight dry (within my 80% range) AND the Classics have Disc Brakes.

So - I'm happy - but what about the International or Flying Cloud trailers in 25 feet?

Well - yesterday wanting to try out my Prodigy 3 install I hooked up to my very, very good friend who is visiting from Arizona and brought his 25 footer Flying Cloud (833lb tongue weight & 5,443 dry) just for me to try which is loaded for travel (full propane, full water, clothes, generator, water in hot water tank, empty black and gray tanks) and took it to the scales with some formulas from the Hensley & Pro Pride camps.... With his Pro Pride hitch (adjusted for my Touareg) we had a total trailer weight of 5,820 lbs and sitting on my tongue was 629 lbs and I was perfectly level. BTW - I lost the damn paper that had my rear axel weight and the front axel weights penciled in with the formula (but its not hard to figure out) that we used to calculate the ball hitch weights - I was so excited about the tongue weight I left my "research notebook" at the scales - but that's another story...

I was happy because I felt I could go with a 25 footer - because of towing in the Rockies I thought I would tow closer to empty the full and fill up everything once I got close to my destination - with the disc brakes I'm gonna tow right up to my max weight (minus a healthy fudge factor)....

Oh - and towing his 25 footer up to Mount Palmor and back down with my TDI - No Sweat! Even braked down a steep pitch withe the "T-Rex's" brakes - no problem if I loose trailer brakes - I can still STOP!!!

Soooo - LONG STORY SHORTER if for some reason this brand new Classic 25 footer falls through - I will go with a 25 International in Serenity.

This matches exactly what the Pro Pride & Arrow folks told me - trust me - those engineers do the math and they really do know what they are talking about....

BTW - I AM A MONSTER FAN OF THE PRO PRIDE HITCHES - and that's what I'll be using as well...
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