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Old 03-05-2013, 06:12 AM   #57
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I've only seen this once, it was on RT22 between Ebensburg, PA and Crescent MT, PA in case anyone knows the area. I witnessed a local LEO with a stopped couple in an Airstream being pulled by a Ford Explorer, about a 2010 model. The AS looked to be 25'. The LEO was looking at the side plate on the trailer, I was going in the opposite direction and I pulled over and stopped, then he walked to the drivers side door and was clearly looking at the door sticker listing information including tire limits.

This is what got me looking into tires on our F150 Platinum and found out our payload could handle me, by wife, our dog and the hitch weight of our trailer and that was about it. No one at Ford dealership had any intelligent input, Ford engineers knew all about it. The F150 equipped with all kinds of towing equipment from the factory can handle the trailer easily, but the tires cannot and you cannot order the correct tires D or E rated from Ford, at least at the time

My point is this, safety first - not economy. Second, if a local cop in nowhere land PA is checking when other cops figure this out what an easy way to pick up much needed revenue for the township, county or state. I travel for business every day and have 10 trucks on the road every day and neither I nor any of my drivers have ever seen this before or since, but I believe it is going to start.
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Old 03-05-2013, 06:32 AM   #58
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I've only seen this once, it was on RT22 between Ebensburg, PA and Crescent MT, PA in case anyone knows the area. I witnessed a local LEO with a stopped couple in an Airstream being pulled by a Ford Explorer, about a 2010 model. The AS looked to be 25'. The LEO was looking at the side plate on the trailer, I was going in the opposite direction and I pulled over and stopped, then he walked to the drivers side door and was clearly looking at the door sticker listing information including tire limits.

This is what got me looking into tires on our F150 Platinum and found out our payload could handle me, by wife, our dog and the hitch weight of our trailer and that was about it. No one at Ford dealership had any intelligent input, Ford engineers knew all about it. The F150 equipped with all kinds of towing equipment from the factory can handle the trailer easily, but the tires cannot and you cannot order the correct tires D or E rated from Ford, at least at the time

My point is this, safety first - not economy. Second, if a local cop in nowhere land PA is checking when other cops figure this out what an easy way to pick up much needed revenue for the township, county or state. I travel for business every day and have 10 trucks on the road every day and neither I nor any of my drivers have ever seen this before or since, but I believe it is going to start.
I am over weight when really loaded for the tires on our Platinum too.
I do see that there are tires available one aspect range higher that will fit our rims or I can just replace both wheels and tires with the 18" wheels Ford tends to use on other F150's. Interesting though, isn't it? I suspect it is a "style" thing...

I really love my F150 And we will keep it but we will be upgrading the tires this spring.

Makes me wonder exactly what people do for towing with smaller vehicles....

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Old 03-05-2013, 06:52 AM   #59
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I am over weight when really loaded for the tires on our Platinum too.

Makes me wonder exactly what people do for towing with smaller vehicles....

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Our 23' is larger than your 16' and our mid sized sedan is smaller than your F150. Our 17" performance tires are well within the load limits.

When comparing, the disadvantage of the F150 is the high curb weight which eats up a lot of the tire load capacity.
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Old 08-07-2013, 04:10 PM   #60
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Another Roadside Tow Vehicle Attraction question

Hi, I'm Nell and this is my third post. I've been reading around about tow vehicles and thought I'd dive into the controversy--I mean, ask for advice.

We are looking for a tow vehicle for our newly acquired 1970 27' Overlander twin. What we'd like in an ideal world:

• Decent gas mileage considering the load
• older vehicle
• perhaps diesel
• easy-to-access cargo
• comfortable front seats (hub has bad back)
• sunroof (a girl can dream).

Other uses for this tow vehicle would be

• practical for use on a property for hauling stuff, incl.
• large garden supplies and sh*t (literally)
• construction materials
• workshop products, custom furniture and trim
• Adaptable into a compact camper vehicle.

As you can see, the primary use of this tow vehicle will be the uses I mention above. The secondary use will be to tow this trailer x-country.

An SUV is not practical, we aren't carrying our kids or others. A truck with a cap is not ideal, as cargo is not simple to access. A cargo van might be good. A Sprinter is too big, I think, and too expensive. I'm agnostic regarding tow limits and the talents of Andy at CanAm. Open to an unconventional solution, but have use for a van.

I'm not used to looking at the market as this trailer kind of dropped into our path unexpectedly, and I appreciate suggestions and experience.

It's been fun and informative reading along in these forums and I plan on hanging around a lot. Thanks in advance!
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Hi Perri - I wonder if another 1970's era vehicle would be the answer:


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Old 08-07-2013, 06:50 PM   #62
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I was thinking the very same thing.

These old Mercs, specifically with the 300 turbo-diesel power plant, are indestructible.
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Thank you very much for your feedback.

I recall those MBs from my youth. I would be delighted to use one, but even at the time they seemed kind of like slow dogs, regardless of the video. I may be quite mistaken, of course. Could have been the engine and exhaust sound those diesels made which caused that impression.

What about a much less stylish option like this conversion van?
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I drove a Mercedes 300TD for a while - sadly not the station wagon, which I love. It didn't win any speed records for sure, but it had very decent pickup for a car of its size and age.

No opinion on the van, but my personal preference for tow vehicles is, from the top:

• Medium sized SUV, ideally a diesel. VW Touareg, Merc ML350 Bluetec, Jeep.
• Van, or minivan. Excellent handling, high payload and tons of space.
• Trucks. Would not want one as a daily driver.

Keep in mind that a: my trailer is fairly light, especially compared to modern trailers and b: we don't carry much in the way of stuff. No generators, no huge BBQ, just the family and camping essentials. And good coffee. Can't travel without good coffee.

Also, we don't live in the Rockies, where our current TV would soon be out of grunt.
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Thank you very much for your feedback.

I recall those MBs from my youth. I would be delighted to use one, but even at the time they seemed kind of like slow dogs, regardless of the video. I may be quite mistaken, of course. Could have been the engine and exhaust sound those diesels made which caused that impression.

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Not sure. According to this: http://www.dodge.com/towing/D/vehicl...vehicleFamily= your max towing capacity is 7650#. There would be a lot of assumptions there - this isn't a detailed site by any means. Also assumes the van you're looking at has a receiver that would also carry that load. I'm guessing (uneducated - take with a huge grain of salt!! ) you can get almost anything to work with the right modifications.

I love my truck to pull the trailer but its a ridiculous commuter vehicle. How would this van fit those scenarios for you?

Wish I could be of more help!
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I was told by the Airstream a dealer in my area that the classic limited 27 FB can be towed by a large SUV such as the Land Cruiser or Lincoln navigator. If true, that is good news.
Remember a dealer will tell you anything to get you off the lot with a trailer.

I bought one of the new short Land Cruisers when they first came out truth is I can't see it being very good at towing anything of any size on the highway very far.
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>I love my truck to pull the trailer but its a ridiculous commuter vehicle. How would this van fit those scenarios for you?

Down the road (ugh), we were hoping to get ourselves a camper van for travel and we can use a van for hauling, definitely. I did not have this elaborate kind of van in mind. (We wore out a VW Eurovan and were hoping to get something like that before this AS came along.) But this van looks comfortable enough for spouse's back. Our dry weight on the '70 O-landr is <4600, and a van is the most useful vehicle for us when not towing.

I'd rather have something more low-profile than this van. We are secret agents and don't want to draw attention to ourselves with swirly van art. Actually, that was a lie. But I seriously do not like expressing myself through my vehicles, and this van definitely has something to say. 1st world problem, I know... The important thing is towing. An Odyssey or Sienna would be good, if I could count on them for towing. I will be talking to several mechanics today about this TV issue.
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>I know... The important thing is towing. An Odyssey or Sienna would be good, if I could count on them for towing. I will be talking to several mechanics today about this TV issue.
I do most of my own vehicle service/repair work but for the in depth stuff I have a very good mechanic. Unfortunately he does not know a thing about towing.

Folks can't see to get past the pre conceived ideas they have about towing.

He still can't come to terms with how well our Mini Van and car have stood the test of time as tow vehicles.
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We just got home from an 11,000 mile round trip to Alaska and back with our 2005 22 ft Safari pulled with a 10 year old Dodge 2500 4 door short bed , inline 6 Cummins diesel , 5 spd manual , 373 gears . The truck performed flawlessly and were able to
travel 1800 miles between fuel stops with the 90 gallon aux. tank that gravity flows into the main tank. Have pulled the 66 24 footer with a variety of gasoline powered ,half ton chassis vehicles in the past, there is absolutely no comparison as to how this 3/4 ton Dodge Cummins performed.
We will NEVER use another gasoline vehicle to tow with ever again .
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Those cars of yore were suitable as tow vehicles because they were body on frame, they didn't have high horsepower, but had alot of torque. Many people got adjustable "air shocks" to handle the tongue weights. My dad towed lots of trailers with his '73 Sedan de Ville.

I would not just dismiss getting a truck without driving some first. The new ones are very easy to drive. I'd say a pickup is probably easier to drive than a large SUV like a Suburban or Expedition - simply from having fewer blind spots.

As many have indicated, many vehicles will do the job. The difference is how comfortably will they do it. More is always better in the following categories - especially if you are not an experienced tower.

Wheelbase - longer will be a more stable ride and handling characteristics
Heavier - the trailer will have a harder time pushing the TV around. But keep in mind that a heavier vehicle also needs more engine power to move itself and whatever load it carries around.
Stiffer suspension/high payload rating - when loaded the TV handles the undulations in the road better, but unloaded they can ride like buckboards.
Engine power - 400 hp is better than 200 hp, but comes at a higher upfront cost as well as operating cost.
Torque - more is better for towing. Doesn't always correlate to engine horsepower, so watch your numbers here.

Good luck in what you decide!
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