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Old 06-18-2014, 09:17 AM   #29
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If you are considering the minivan approach, I would encourage you to contact another member of this forum (MrUKToad.) He lives in southern Ontario (relatively flat) and tows a 25 or 27 with his minivan and is quite happy with it. I have a heavy 27 footer and plan to be on the road a lot and go out west (think Rockies) so I would not consider a minivan, but since you are going to be a weekend warrior and have a relatively lighter unit (the 23) this might work for you. I'm sure there are limitations with a minivan-based setup (such as hill climbing) but MrUKToad can probably help you think this through.
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Old 06-18-2014, 09:43 AM   #30
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If you are considering the minivan approach, I would encourage you to contact another member of this forum (MrUKToad.)
I haven't contributed to this thread as the OP said that he was after a truck. If the original idea has shifted then yes, I can speak about my experiences with the 2011 Toyota Sienna minivan and our 2011 28' International Serenity.

First off, our TV has had the Can Am treatment with a beefed up hitch, WD, sway control and the works. Also, the TV suits our needs; it's our daily drive and is quite easy on the juice when not towing. We're largely weekenders and do travel very light, even with the kids and don't haul a generator or canoes or firewood or bikes.

AABob is quite right to point out that we're in flat southern Ontario but I don't fear for the Sienna's pulling power; as others have shown, it'll go up just about any hill, albeit that it's not going to win any races doing so. We've towed through the hills in New Hampshire and Tennessee without issue.

I've not weighed our setup when fully loaded but I know that it has a high tongue weight, which gobbles up a big chunk of the payload. That said, apart from people, we don't haul much stuff in the van so even if we're close to the limit, or even slightly over it, it's not caused us any problems.

The Toyota published tow limit is, in my view, a red herring. When set up and loaded we sit level, pull and stop comfortably and handle as well as anything else towing a few tons of trailer. The Sienna is low slung, wide and handles well, even when braking. Over three and half seasons we've had no mechanical issues with the TV and reports from my local Toyota dealer don't highlight any abnormal wear during the service schedule.

The issue as I see it is not with the numbers but your use of the TV. If you're going to haul those heavy and dirty items like a generator or firewood, then a minivan won't be for you. If you do travel light and you want a TV that is reasonably economical when not towing, then maybe a minivan will suit your needs.
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Old 06-19-2014, 09:02 PM   #31
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MrUKToad, Thanks for contributing. A while back I read a fair amount of your blog (old and new) and that was one of the reasons I had considered the Honda in the first place.

Taking everything into consideration, I pulled the trigger on a 2012 F-150 5.0 V8 with the 7350 GVWR package (over 1600 lbs of load capacity) and an integrated brake controller. Only thing I would have liked would have been the 3.73 rear instead of the 3.55, but I think the 3.55 will do.

Took the truck home today.

Now I need something to tow!!
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Old 06-20-2014, 06:23 AM   #32
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That's a good pick. Seems the 5.0 V8 will get you roughly the same MPG as an EcoBoost engine, yet the engine is not turbo, and hence with fewer components should be more reliable (Good idea to stay away from the cutting edge technology until the glitches are fixed). You also have more payload that a minivan (and a longer wheelbase), and less of an operational cost than ML350.
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That's a good pick. Seems the 5.0 V8 will get you roughly the same MPG as an EcoBoost engine, yet the engine is not turbo, and hence with fewer components should be more reliable (Good idea to stay away from the cutting edge technology until the glitches are fixed). You also have more payload that a minivan (and a longer wheelbase), and less of an operational cost than ML350.
Yes. I hope so!

The 5.0 is a pretty proven engine from what I read. Plus it's a 6-speed tranny which may very well prove to be one of the last repairable transmissions. I understand that the newer 8 speed+ transmissions cannot be rebuilt. They go, so does a huge chunk of change.

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Looks great. Congrats!
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You'll do fine with the 3.55, after lots of reading there are plenty of folks who don't see much of a slow down. It's a very mild difference between 3.73 & 3.55, not the same as 3.55 vs 4.10.

Nice choice of truck there, with the payload you should be good to go.
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You can never go wrong with a Ford truck!
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You can never go wrong with a Ford truck!
Haha. Yours is like the big brother of my truck.
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Except for when it's Found On Road Dead. Just make sure you Fix Or Repair Daily.

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Except for when it's Found On Road Dead. Just make sure you Fix Or Repair Daily.

I hope you aren't speaking from experience...
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Reporting back, we just finished our first trip with the new Airstream (25' Flying Cloud) and the F-150. 2,500 miles from New Jersey to Arkansas and back.

The 5.0 did admirably. Could I have used more power on some of the roads, particularly in the Asheville, NC to Knoxville, TN area - yes. But who wouldn't say that?

Returned 12.5 MPG for the trip. Pretty consistent too. Highest I saw was the run from Hershey Park in PA back to Jersey, 13.2 MPG. Favorable tailwinds I suppose.

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