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Old 02-12-2016, 08:57 PM   #1
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Tow Vehicle Brake Upgrades

Considering break upgrades on my 2005 Excursion:

http://www.powerstop.com/product/power-stop-z36-kit/

Does anybody have experience with an upgrade such as this? I have always felt the brakes could use some improvement. I don't know if this would help or if it's more of a gimmick since they are a nice red color. I don't care what they look like, I just want the best for the big hills...
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Old 02-12-2016, 09:40 PM   #2
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You may want to edit he title. Brakes are for stoping. Breaks are what happens after they don't work.
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Ran those on my Corvette. They're not really super premium, that would be a brand like Brembo. Early on those particular rotors were prone to cracking and warping. But they may have improved their product line.

Frankly, I'd stick with HAWK pads.
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Looks like the Brembo are the real deal, I don't know if they have a kit for the Excursion.
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You may want to edit he title. Brakes are for stoping. Breaks are what happens after they don't work.
Sorry about that. I was too busy fixing the other typos Apple autocorrect creates and I missed that one because it was an actual word.
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Ted - A pad upgrade that is not too wild is often a performance improvement that can be implemented at a reasonable cost. You might contact Hawke and see what they recommend.

If your rotors are warping an improved design would help. But you do not seem to be screaming about a specific problem and sound like you are just want to improve performance.

The solution that comes to mind is a set of brakes from a high performance application. At one time, the Cobra Mustang had a production package that was a nice upgrade from stock, but they may not be large enough for your Excursion.

Brake maintenance can be quite helpful in keeping the system in good operating condition. Replacement of fluid keeps the moisture out and reduces the potential of boiling. Replacing rubber brake hoses with SST braided lines maintains a consistent volume and is a good upgrade to achieve a firm peddle.

Given you are using the vehicle in a towing application, upgrading the trailer brakes to disks might be worth considering. There is a bit of consternation about what makes a good trailer system, so it's likely not a slam dunk.

Will be interested in what you ultimately find to be an effective solution. Pat
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Hi, I use Raybestos Ceramic pads. Slight improvement at reasonable cost.
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I agree about looking at Porterfield R4S street/racing pads first (or one of the recco's above), then move on to high performance racing fluid which will resist hi-temps/fade, then SS lines - before your "Break" the bank with "Brake" upgrades.

Contact owner Eric Shea at the link below & ask him if he can get the Porterfield R4S pads for your Truck - since they can do pads (& shoes) for just about any vehicle. Tell him Tom T in Orange CA from 914world recco'd you when you call or email him.

http://www.pmbperformance.com/catalog.html

He got me Porterfield R4S pads & shoes for our `88 VW Westfalia - which are notoriously underbraked at 4800+ lbs wet & loaded with only modest front discs & rear drums, & they did improve it's braking noticably. On the Westy the tend to be a bit noisier than some other pads - but that's always a problem on VW Vanagons anyway, & they're a bit dusty (the R4S are a Kevlar compound IIRC).

I'll also put the R4S pads on all 4 discs of my 85 325e when it needs pads next, & on my 914 when it's resto is done, & probably on our soon to be Cayenne S whenever it needs them too. Great pads!

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If your trailer doesn't brake itself, fixing that is where I would start spending money.
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Ford trucks rotors are prone to overheating and warping. I replaced my rotors with aftermarket drilled and vented units and upgraded the pads. Ceramic pads are great on the track, but not my first choice for a TV. There are a lot of sources out there for brake components. Baer and Wilwood would be a good place to start.
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Tow Vehicle Break Upgrades

I got over 100K miles out of my factory pads, am I missing something where factory brakes on some vehicles suck?

The only thing that freaks me out about modern brakes is the antilock part. There have been a couple a few occasions where I really needed the wheels to lock....

It is a helpless feeling when the brakes are rendered totally useless.


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Ted,
You state in your post that you want the best for the Big Hills! One concideration would be to install an exhaust brake on your TV, that would help reduce the load on the TV and trailer brakes on those Big Hills! Would add to the life and safety of the TV and Trailer brakes. In 2012 I made a 10,000 mile trip from west coast to great lakes area, upon returning home I checked the brake adjustment on my trailer, 2 clicks and they were adjusted, I feel the exhaust brake on my TV was the reason. Compression and exhaust brakes have been used on commercial trucks for many years, adding many miles to the life of the foundation brakes
and vehicle safety.
Something you could look into.
Good Luck with your braking issue.
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