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Old 02-19-2016, 12:04 PM   #29
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2500 dodge 6.7, 96000 miles towing the trailer, replaced the front ,pads only, the rears are over 50 percent....
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Old 02-19-2016, 01:20 PM   #30
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My mother was a "stab braker". All in at the last moment.

Was trying for a light touch.

Too many move to pickups and then drive them like cars. Won't work. At least, not well.
Brake pads are designed to last 25K to 50K on average. People getting 80K + out of their pads don't drive often.

Here is one source: http://www.econrads.com/Tire-and-Ser...x?ArticleID=25 but a half second of googling will back up my numbers from dozens of places.

I used to autocross for 10yrs and have a lot of experience with high-performance braking applications. And to suggest you know how someone on this forum drives based on an off-hand comment , well I'm just going to be nice here.

It's not unreasonable to speculate that cheap pads made in China might not even make it to the 25K mark under heavy duty use. I've seen cheap Chinese rotors warp after two weeks of use.
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Old 02-19-2016, 02:16 PM   #31
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So, did you you find the problem, or?
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Old 02-19-2016, 02:37 PM   #32
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Considering break upgrades on my 2005 Excursion:

http://www.powerstop.com/product/power-stop-z36-kit/

Does anybody have experience with an upgrade such as this? I have always felt the brakes could use some improvement. I don't know if this would help or if it's more of a gimmick since they are a nice red color. I don't care what they look like, I just want the best for the big hills...
I would check out EBC Brakes for the rotors and pads. A quick look at their catalogue shows they sell a kit for your truck with both included. They make excellent products.
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Old 02-19-2016, 03:51 PM   #33
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I would check out EBC Brakes for the rotors and pads. A quick look at their catalogue shows they sell a kit for your truck with both included. They make excellent products.
Thanks. I am still looking at brands and products. I will check them out.

I also see NAPA makes some heavy duty calipers, not sure what would make them any better than the standard ones. It seems a lot of these products are basically remanufactured OEM...

One the bright side, they fixed my typo in the Thread title, I was actually quite embarrassed about it.
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Old 02-19-2016, 04:48 PM   #34
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I've used this company quite often when we did fleet or Hi/perf work at the Chevy Store.
Never had a problem with any of their offerings...Plus they are a local company, 'bout 8mi from our doorstep.

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I saw the SSBC.

When I locked up my caliper in FL 1500 miles from home, it was smoking. I thought for sure it was wasted, but it was just fine. Kind of restores my faith in OEM. My local Ford guy, who has work on Ford Truck all of his life and is know in the area as "the guy" says just stay with OEM. He does not like to mod trucks, he likes to keep thinks stock (for the most part). Maybe I don't go too crazy, just get good pads, change out the other calipers so they are all new and go...

The SSBC calipers are $1100 btw, one review says all brake lines need replacing.
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"The SSBC calipers are $1100 btw, one review says all brake lines need replacing."
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The lines....There is a very good reason SSBC got started here in WNY...."Lake Effect" and salty roads.
Mild steel lines & cheep brake components just don't last around here. I believe the price includes loaded calipers...around $1300 complete......I tink.

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My post above is not clear, I meant to say when I locked up my caliper the brakes were smoking they were so hot, I thought for sure the ROTOR was wasted, but it appeared fine. I'm curious if the slotted and drilled rotors would have survived the same.
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Drilled rotors are more likely to crack when overheated, unless the blanks were designed to be drilled. Most seem to be simply OE design blanks with aftermarket holes in them; no appreciable additional cooling, which depends on the fin design; less thermal mass so quicker to overheat; and then those holes from which cracks propagate. Proponents talk about out-gassing from the pads, but we aren't using pads that out-gas these days.

Lots of talk above about warped rotors, too. The brake pad manufacturers talk about pad deposition onto the rotor surface being commonly misdiagnosed as warping. If they overheat, it matters whether you stop and then apply the brakes, or stop and let them cool. The former results in more pad material deposition, at one location on the rotor, and apparent warping which is really uneven pad material deposition.

http://www.stoptech.com/technical-su...nd-other-myths

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Rotors are cast iron. Not much difference between brands. Pad on the other hand have about 10+ different hardness.

My preference is for OME pads. After all they have a lot of engineers doing testing to get it right.
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<<<"Brake pads are designed to last 25K to 50K on average. People getting 80K + out of their pads don't drive often.">>>

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What is the value of "better" and expensive when stock and cheap proves to be more than good enough for the intended use?

Practical value matters, as does the availability of stock off the shelf replacement parts.

I have installed aftermarket brakes on vehicles to replace drums on "weekend cruiser" cars, but no freaking way would I go that route on a tow vehicle or a late model daily driver.

Too many drawbacks and not enough benefit. It is like throwing money away.


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Old 02-20-2016, 09:50 AM   #42
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I get it with the OEM brake pads and I am not sold on aftermarket drilled and slotted rotors.

One area OEM does not cut it for me is the calipers. I't doesn't take long on the Ford Forums to be convinced the factory calipers have their fair share of problems which I have had myself.

Having said that, several of the aftermarket calipers appear to be nothing more than rebuilt factory cores. This is with the exception of Brembo and SSBC, I don't even know if Brembo makes a caliper for my truck and SSBC are expensive and two installs I read about had part compatibility issues.

Here is my current Brake Upgrade Plan:

Replace all calipers with a good factory rebuild such as NAPA severe duty or Motocraft.

Replace all brake lines with steel.

Replace all brake pads with OEM Heavy Duty.

I think that is a good balance of performance and cost.

What do you think?
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