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Old 06-28-2015, 09:26 AM   #113
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But the reality is folks with light duty trucks carry less payload than folks with heavy duty trucks. So add the extra payload to the 10,000 lb trailer weight when doing the braking experiment for real world conditions.

And at what point do the four truck tires lose traction when barking very heavy loads, with either truck. Add some water, ice or snow to the experiment to compare light to heavy duty truck braking for real world conditions.

Many, many travels throughout the country in all types of terrain and weather have given us great confidence in our 2012 Ram 1500 to brake our combination in the conditions we encounter.

It's lighter weight is a benefit in braking, and steering when we have had to move quickly from one lane to another to avoid a collision. The ProPride hitch ensures the truck is absolutely stable in winds, semis passing, and prevents any sway from happening.

The advantage of heavy duty trucks is payload if you need it to travel, or at home or business. We don't need it, others do.
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Old 06-28-2015, 12:15 PM   #114
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I have been looking at the newer used trucks, and noticed the dually are about 10k less. How much MPG do you loose with a dually, and are there other hidden costs I need to consider such as the second set of tires?
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Actually the 1/2 tons will stop in a shorter distance than a heavier 3/4 or 1 ton.But hook a trailer on the back and the situation changes due to the increased weight of the larger trucks and larger rotors with bigger calipers.the tendency of the trailer to push the tow vehicle is drastically reduced.Also 70 percent or more of your braking is done with your tow vehicles front brakes so increasing the weight on the front wheels (Diesel engines are very heavy)increases adhesion and reduces stopping distance.
Putting massive brakes on a light weight tow vehicle works great when it is unloaded but with a trailer attached the loss of adhesion equals longer stopping distances.
You could install massive disc brakes on your riding lawn mower and there would be a noticeable in its stopping ability but hook a trailer behind it that weighs equal to or greater than the mower and send it down a steep grade.Even with massive brakes and trailer brakes u will be in for fun ride as the laws of physics come into play.


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We set our brake controller on the Ram 1500 to use the Airstreams brakes every time we need braking, never have any reason to do it any other way. The combination stops very effectively.

Should we lose the Airstream brakes by malfunction, the truck will still stop the Airstream very effectively. Should we lose the truck's brakes, the trailer will stop the truck and itself. We have not lost the Airstream's brakes in thousands of miles of travel all about the country, but if we did it's not a problem. I've tried it both ways.

Our Airstream and Ram 1500 weighed 12,860 lbs total unusually heavily loaded on a return trip. This is typical of a midsize Airstream and light duty truck setup. That is much less weight than many heavy duty truck combos have to stop. Are we disadvantaged in braking ability? I don't believe so.
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Old 06-28-2015, 06:04 PM   #117
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Your opinion has very little merit.


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Old 06-28-2015, 06:51 PM   #118
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Old 06-28-2015, 06:51 PM   #119
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Hi, everyone has their own opinions and I don't see any proof from anyone. Should we all take our trucks and trailers to a test track and have the stopping distance measured? There are too many variables like weight, size and number of brakes, type of brakes, Brake lining material, friction from the tires, size and type tires, friction from the pavement, type of pavement, and on, and on, and on.


My truck and trailer is way better than anyone elses because it is mine; And if you don't believe it, just ask me!
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Maybe if you took time to read up on the subject?
It's not about my truck is better than yours.But trucks are designed for different applications.I have been in the in the automobile business for almost 40 years and am certified in light and medium duty trucks.I have ordered virtually thousands of them.I am also a ASE certified technician so I am familiar with the theory and design aspects of automobile production.I could go on with my background but don't want to sound like I'm rooting my own horn.Not my intent.
Not every one needs a 1ton or 3/4 ton truck but you can reach a point that a Suv,1/2 ton or a Tundra is not the right choice for a application.

There are people on this forum giving advise on a subject that they have only seat of the pants opinions,and know real knowledge.That is upsetting to me.


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Hi, and I was a mechanic at new car dealers since 1968 and was certified with NIASE. That was before they shortened it to ASE. This information and five dollars will buy you a bag of popcorn.
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I just finished a 4500 mile trip to the keys and back with a 2015 Seirra 1500, 6.2L, 8 speed and 3.42 gears.

I gotta say, it was the most pleasant pull of my life. All the power I needed and with TH on, the gear selection was perfect. The powertrain was more than adequate....almost diesel-like...

Mileage- low tank=10.7 high tank 12.6

Normal tanks=11.1 - 11.3mpg

That's a full 2 mpg better than any gasser I have run in the past (5.3L or 6.0L) and only 1 to 1.5 mpg less than a 2500 Duramax! Without all the additional cost.

Also, I am very happy to report the new version (2014 and up 1500s and 2015 HDs) of the IBC is FLAWLESS and works even better than my Tuson.

Now, if I could just get a maxtow version with about 2200# payload, it would be the ultimate TV.
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Old 06-29-2015, 01:23 PM   #123
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Very rare to find one in the wild.

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Old 06-29-2015, 01:43 PM   #124
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I know.....production ramp up is sloooooow.
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Are you guys allergic to pictures?
I own a 2005 F250 CCSB with the dreaded 6.0 Powerstroke (works great, almost 45k miles in 3 years). It's not a special edition, but it has almost all the bells and whistles, Lariat, FX4, Camper Special. Although I would like to add upfitter switches and 2008+ power fold/extend mirrors.

The FX4 gives me a locking rear diff, the Camper special gives me 1ton rear leaf spring packs AND a rear swaybar.

While I haven't used it to town an airstream yet, I feel very confident that it will do just fine.

I've towed
a 22ft pontoon
From front bumper to prop, this rig is almost exactly 50ft long.
The pontoon weighs about 3000lbs empty and there are no brakes on the trailer. Before I bought it, I checked ND and MN state laws regarding brakes and trailer registration, neither require it for this purpose. The truck stops just fine. And for those with a keen eye, no the Pontoon axles are not centered properly in this picture for the trailer tongue weight.



Currently we have only this 2 horse trailer, but we are in the market for a 3 to 4 horse slant load 5th wheel. The truck came with a B/W 5th wheel hitch already installed.


I've hauled a couple square bales, each should have weighed about 1000-1100 lbs.


Once every year, I borrow a 5th wheel trailer from work and haul 14 round bales, each weighing 800-1000lbs.


I've towed a tracked Skid Steer, I also picked up a 1978 Case 1830 wheel skid steer this spring. I've also rented a track hoe a couple times.

This spring I also hauled home a 1963.5 Falcon Convertible (260/4spd) with a gocart in the back for the kids.


To be honest, I'd have done all of this with my previous daily driver which was a 1994 GMC ECSB 2500 (light duty 7200 lb rated) 5.7/auto/towing package truck.

Which was a nice truck, until I got t-boned by a semi in town, he blew a red light. This happened in 2012, just me, everybody is fine, these pictures are only about 2 weeks apart.


I will say that the extra wheel base length and diesel power are nice to have. As you may have surmised I do daily drive this truck. I also monitor the motor ECT/EOT to help notify me if the oil cooler is getting plugged. Which is the cause of people saying things like.
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Also, on the used front, note that the 6.0 and 6.4 liter Ford "Powerstroke" Diesel engines have known design flaws that often lead to failure (in the case of the 6.0) in less than100,000 miles.
With $20 invested in Torque Pro and a cheap ELM adapter, you can monitor *almost* everything, you still need additional gauges if you want to monitor EGT and/or Fuel pressure since these are not part of the stock CANBUS/ODB2 programming. Either tonight on the way home, or tomorrow I will hit 217k miles on the odometer.

It has its issues, I make several point turns in parking lots, it doesn't get the greatest fuel mileage, on a daily basis, I run 50miles at 80mph and it gets 14mpg consistently. Towing at similar speeds (slightly slower) it drops 1.5-2mpg. Posted interstate speeds are 75mph in ND.

I bought this truck based on simple needs..
Under 150k miles
Under $15k
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Diesel

I hit all but one target, so 3 out of 4 ain't bad.
I am a former ASE certified mechanic in Brakes, Electrical Systems, and Suspension, so I am very comfortable troubleshooting and repairing this truck, I've had the turbo out to get to the HPOP, which I pulled and replaced the Snap To Connect (STC) fittings. Which wasn't even the problem, I could have reached in and changed the Injector Pressure Regulator Valve (IPR) and saved myself 3 days of downtime.

But I digress.. You need to pick something that YOU are comfortable with, if you like to work on them, or don't like to work on them will determine what years, makes, and models you consider.

We also have a 2012 Tahoe LT 5.3L/Auto that also has towing package/trailer brake controller and I'm 100% certain that it would tow an AS just fine as well. I haven't touched anything mechanical on it yet because it is still under warranty.

Lots of luck to all who are shopping!
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Old 06-29-2015, 02:41 PM   #126
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Good to see a heavy duty truck properly earning it's keep. Collateral duty pulling your Airstream. Excellent use.

Just noticed we're almost neighbors, if you get over to Battle Lake stop by and say hello. Just northeast of town, lakeside, you'll see the Airstream.
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