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Old 06-26-2015, 08:28 AM   #99
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Adding airbags to level a max loaded truck may cause the rear end to rise, but there is NO increase in payload. In fact the airbags themselves and their mounting hardware used up some payload which may now place the truck in an overloaded condition.
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Old 06-26-2015, 09:01 AM   #100
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I am thinking about Firestone Ride Rite air bags. Do you remember what you installed?

yes, they were made by Firestone. our local tire folks did the install, Les Schwab. great people who stand behind their work. as an aside, i didn't bother to have the on-board compressor installed as i found the first time, i could simply use my bicycle pump to get the required pressure, about 15psi is all it took for me to level everything out. if all the connections are solid and not leaking air, you won't have to fiddle around with pressure for quite some time. the air bags do 'stiffen' the ride a bit for the truck but not to an uncomfortable level. but with the boat and trailer, i was approaching the max for the truck, a situation that makes ME uncomfortable. i know there are lots of folks posting on these forms who like to go minimum on the tow vehicle but that never felt right to me.
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GPT, it may seem counterintuitive, but air bags make handling worse. Work on your WDH settings. That's what pays off.
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Old 06-27-2015, 08:10 AM   #102
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A smaller vehicle has smaller brakes. When taken to the maximum rating or exceeding those numbers, downhill stopping with the trailer brakes inoperative or out of adjustment could become an incident.
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Generally speaking, a lighter duty truck has smaller brakes than a heavier duty truck, but the heavier duty truck is heavier by 2,000 to 2,500 lbs. More to stop. They both have four tires on the ground. Braking tests have them coming out about even, sometimes with the lighter truck doing better.
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Tow Vehicle Advice 1500, 2500, diesel, gas???

A half ton will be more likely to come to a full stop faster than a one ton. A recent test on Truck Trend between the Dodge Cummins and Dodge Ecodiesel shows just this.

Trailer brakes are, or should be, the concern. They are the weak link in stopping the rig.
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My neighbor was towing a 7000# 27 ft trailer with an F150 and was having stability and sway issues. I suggested he hit the scales to see if the WDH was set up properly. He swapped his truck for an F250. Same trailer and same WDH, just a different truck, and he has no stability and sway issues now. No problems with semi's passing him and peace of mind going down the grades (which made him very nervous with F150 as it seemed the trailer was in control).

It seems, everything else being equal, the extra weight and wheelbase of the TV helps with stability.
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Old 06-27-2015, 11:09 PM   #106
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A smaller vehicle has smaller brakes. When taken to the maximum rating or exceeding those numbers, downhill stopping with the trailer brakes inoperative or out of adjustment could become an incident.
Hi, this basically true, but with exceptions; My wife's little BMW X-3 has huge brakes.
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My neighbor was towing a 7000# 27 ft trailer with an F150 and was having stability and sway issues. I suggested he hit the scales to see if the WDH was set up properly. He swapped his truck for an F250. Same trailer and same WDH, just a different truck, and he has no stability and sway issues now. No problems with semi's passing him and peace of mind going down the grades (which made him very nervous with F150 as it seemed the trailer was in control).

It seems, everything else being equal, the extra weight and wheelbase of the TV helps with stability.

Hi, what F-150 AND what F-250? There can be a huge difference in equipment and options. My F-150 has a higher payload and higher tow rating than some F-250's. And if it was a newer F-150, it should have had stability control built in.
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Not sure what stability is being discussed, but lower center of gravity is the best defense against rollover. If the trailer is moving the truck in crosswinds, or when semis pass, or has some sway tendencies even when set up properly a Hensley/ProPride hitch will eliminate it, a better and much less expensive solution than a bigger truck.
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My neighbor was towing a 7000# 27 ft trailer with an F150 and was having stability and sway issues. I suggested he hit the scales to see if the WDH was set up properly. He swapped his truck for an F250. Same trailer and same WDH, just a different truck, and he has no stability and sway issues now. No problems with semi's passing him and peace of mind going down the grades (which made him very nervous with F150 as it seemed the trailer was in control).

It seems, everything else being equal, the extra weight and wheelbase of the TV helps with stability.
Set up is so important with any rig. It has been said a number of times before....
" when the connection or setup not right weight and wheelbase will can be an asset, to one degree or another.
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The half ton truck may stop in a shorter distance when NOT towing. Put a 10,000 pound trailer behind and turn off the trailer brakes and drive down a modest hill and try the experiment from 55 mph. The bigger brakes on the 250/2500 series were designed to stop a higher GCVW then the 150/1500 series. Forget the cars and SUVs, their brakes were NOT designed for stopping a 10,000 pound Airstream with a brake failure regardless of the claims.
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Brakes are sized to gcwr, plus a margin. Weight of the truck is irrelevant except to that figure.
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Set up is so important with any rig. It has been said a number of times before....
" when the connection or setup not right weight and wheelbase will can be an asset, to one degree or another.
I agree. That's why I suggested my neighbor go to the scales to see whether the setup was right or not. However, I believe the extra weight and wheelbase of TV are an asset regardless of the setup being right or wrong.

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Hi, what F-150 AND what F-250? There can be a huge difference in equipment and options. My F-150 has a higher payload and higher tow rating than some F-250's. And if it was a newer F-150, it should have had stability control built in.
Both were crew cab, 2013+ models. F250 is diesel and has a longer wheelbase.

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Not sure what stability is being discussed, but lower center of gravity is the best defense against rollover. If the trailer is moving the truck in crosswinds, or when semis pass, or has some sway tendencies even when set up properly a Hensley/ProPride hitch will eliminate it, a better and much less expensive solution than a bigger truck.
Does Hensley/ProPride prevent a trailer pushing the TV going down a (twisty) grade?
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