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Old 12-04-2012, 11:31 PM   #29
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Thumbs up Burb'n....

"A few thoughts on why I prefer the SUV to the PU"

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Old 12-05-2012, 08:30 AM   #30
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And... a few thoughts why I like a PU over an SUV....

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No correct answer....depends on YOUR lifestyle and "toy" requirements.
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Old 12-05-2012, 08:46 AM   #31
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Thats just a Burb with an open-air cargo box....
But at least it's wearing the "correct" tie.

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Old 12-05-2012, 08:53 AM   #32
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and..... a few reasons why we own a Mini Van.....

Designed to carry 8 passengers

Can tow our Airstream

Can haul our heavy equipement (and keeps it dry)

Gets 25+ MPG

Very reliable and long lasting

Comfy ride

.......but not all at the same time! LOL
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Thats just a Burb with an open-air cargo box....
But at least it's wearing the "correct" tie.

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Old 12-09-2012, 01:35 AM   #34
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Interesting that in the most recent Consumer Reports states 79% of Touareg owners "Definitely Would Buy Again" with only the Dodge Durango and Porsche Cayenne higher at 81%.

I'm definitely in the buy again group. I love our Touareg and it's 28 MPG when not towing.
Yep, the Cayenne/T-reg is my fave, too. My twin turbo pepper also has 450 lb-ft which tows our 22-footer with ease. 20-inch wheels and nice stiff sidewalls on the tires adds to rock solid feel, as do all the electronic stability programs. The air suspension and electronically adjustable shocks are a nice luxury. I usually keep to 65-70 mph on the freeway with the rig in tow, but get "significantly less" than 28mpg :-/ At least my fuel mileage is still in double digits, though
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Old 12-13-2012, 01:25 PM   #35
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We currently own a 1997 Land Cruiser (for ten years), a 2006 Land Cruiser with V8, and a 2008 Toyota Sequoia with 5.7L. I am currently trying to decide which one to get rid of as we don't need three vehicles. The older Cruiser is great but somewhat anemic with 215HP and inline 6 (although it will probably outlast the other two vehicles). The Land Cruiser with V8 is more powerful and refined, and so solidly built. Used ones with the V8 can be found at a decent price now that they have been around awhile. I like the Sequoia, but don't know if I love it.

Negatives for Cruiser, shorter wheelbase, narrower wheelbase, probably not as good at towing a longer trailer (tail wagging the dog syndrome). Positives for Cruiser are more versatility, does everything well, built like a bank vault, every time I get behind wheel and drive it makes me happy.

Positives for Sequoia, tons of HP, (381!) even more torque, so easy to speed up passing or merging on highway. Very well insulated and quiet at speed, easy to speed if not careful. Surprisingly manueverable for its size, easier to find a better deal on them and they make a whole lot more of them than Cruisers. Negatives, its a small school bus, hard to back up at times with blind spots, very wide for parking spaces. Its a great highway/tow/trip rig, for me running around town its a bit too much of a vehicle .

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Old 01-01-2013, 11:29 PM   #36
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Smile Touareg/Land Cruiser/Sequoia

Greetings,
I own a 2001 Land Cruiser and a 2007 25' Airstream Int FB.

If you lived anywhere but the rockies, I'd say get a 2006-7 landcruiser with good anti sway hitch and enjoy. In the East, my 2001 LC is good enough (225hp) but in the mountains, sloow; with the 06-7 LC you have more hp but same 4.7 engine, so better but still not good enough in the rockies with the 25'. If you buy an older model Airstream (lighter) shorter 22/23' then the 2007 LC for sale near you would be on my short list. Heck, I'd buy it if it is a mall cruiser (not used off road extensively) or high miles (over 120k) 90k with timing belt done is ideal. Cruisers are wonderful road vehicles and superior off road. For use with late model 25' Airstream, my advice is the 2008 or later 5.7L Sequoia: more storage, longer wheel base, higher tow rating and reliability; second choice is 5.7 Tundra 2 wheel drive short bed with limited slip diff. My money-no-object choice: 2012 or later Touareg/Cayenne TDI ;>)
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Old 01-02-2013, 09:19 AM   #37
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As others have said it really depends on what you like for a car / truck. But here goes my opinion anyway.

Money no object: 2012+ Porsche Cayenne TDI

Reasonable daily driver / TV: Toureg TDI (2004 being my fav), Porsche Cayenne 6 speed manual (CHEAP used and a good car), or Tahoe size GM SUV (Escalade or Yukon). If you can handle it, the Suburban size SUVs really are the best for towing though, even over trucks. I have driven the Sequoia and just wasn't impressed at all, "drives"/feels bigger than our Escalade ESV and has the normal sterile Toyota interior, for the money not worth it. I have not tried the MBs, but our good friend with a GL450 loves hers, non-towing owner though.

FWIW I have towed with multiple trucks and the wifes 05 Escalade ESV (Suburban with more power), but prefer the older '99 Suburban 2500 diesel to anything so far. It takes some reasonable modifications to make right for towing (engine upgrades mostly) and then you have a very good tow vehicle because of the torque and beefy transmission. Granted at this point they are older used vehicles, but if you can find a clean one it might be worth thinking about.

The wife just purchased a new model Escalade ESV for Christmas to replace the '05, so let me see how that tows with the 6 speed transmission. It has promise. Although the 22" wheels ride a bit rough, that may help with stability while towing.

It's always fun car shopping! Take your time and figure out what works for your family... Keep looking around here and you will see some unique tow vehicle setups
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Old 01-03-2013, 09:08 AM   #38
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We're towing our 2012 25' International FB with a 2010 Tundra. Pulls great with more than enough power. Can easily accelerate from 60 to 80 if needed to get around and ahead of hazardous drivers. Plenty of torque for the mountains. Haven't been West yet, but the Smoky Mts are a breeze. Use a Reese hitch with 1200 lb spring bars and cams.
We used to drive a Class C with a toad and before that a Class A. Pulling an Airstream is a dream compared to those, and so much more livable when you get to camp.
Chose Toyota over Chevy/Ford. Have owned 8 Chevy trucks and 4 Ford trucks, plus a Toyota and a Honda truck. Maintenance and repairs vs longevity are no comparison. I got a lot of miles from my Chevys, but not without a lot of expensive repairs. Same with my Fords.
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Old 01-03-2013, 11:20 AM   #39
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abutters, a lot of people continue to buy Chevies and Fords regardless of the evidence that Toyotas are more reliable. I don't think the Toyotas have been as reliable lately, but they still stand up to hard use and keep going. Most of the problems are not related to the things that make you go and go (fit and finish, cheap plastic interiors), but I can live with those if I don't get stuck somewhere.

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I think a lot of the "additional maintenance" items are from unscrupulous service departments. Most any of todays automobiles should go 200k if you just change the oil occasionally. And of course not drive it into the ground by hot rodding or romping on it while the drive train is cold.

Over the years I have owned all sorts of cars and brands... Generally the Asian cars have their flaws just as the US cars have theirs.

The most expensive car I have owned maintenance wise was a 1999 Cadillac Catera. I enjoyed the interior and driving, but it ate tires, brakes, and had electrical gremlins.

The most affordable is still my 1979 Porsche 911 SC. People look at me funny when I say that, but parts are cheap and it is as simple as working on a VW. About 200k on it and still going strong!

The primary TV 6.5 Diesel Suburban now has 210k and has never been better. Minus some plasticy bits that have broken here and there of course.

A little run down:
- 1971 Chevy C-10: new to 125k so far. Still going but burning oil and power is down.
- 1979 Porsche 911 SC: 150 to ~200 so far. Still going strong!
- 1984 Mazda 626: new to 215k before the motor killed itself
- 1988 Toyota Camry: new to 160ish sold it, no power but a reliable beater
- 1990 Acura Integra: new to 225k got rear ended and totalled it
- 1992 Honda Accord: new to 125k when everything started to break. Cheap car IMO.
- 1999 Cadillac Catera: new to 90k, couldn't sell it fast enough! Enjoyed the car but maintenance was brutal.
- 1999 Suburban SLT 6.5TD: 100k-210+ still have it. Minus about $5k to get it right it has been great!
- 2002 Dodge Grand Caravan ES AWD: worst drivetrain ever! Three differentials under warranty, couldn't sell it fast enough!
- 2005 Cadillac Escalade ESV: 60k-165k currently FS. radiator broke around 100k (dexcool issue i think) and tranny went out around 150k (the 60 series transmission can't handle 345HP).
- 2010 VW Jetta TDI: new to 22k sold it, well equipped for the price. I just preferred the Suburban. No problems at all.
- 2010 Cadillac Escalade ESV: 44k to ?, we will see as we just bought it.

... I think I am missing a few cars, but there is the general rundown of my experiences. I did not include the truck trucks as they were work beasts.

In summary, treat your cars right and I think any of them can serve you well.
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They most certainly do, Gene. It was not my intent to indict Chevy or Ford. I built my business for 30 years around those trucks; I found those built in the 80's had fewer issues than those built in the 90's. The last two I bought were a 2009 van and 2010 Silverado. No issues yet but still both under 75,000. And there is plenty of plastic to go around in both of them.
One reason I did choose the Tundra is that it fits in between the 1/2 ton and 3/4 ton Fords and Chevys, making it very suitable for the weight of a 25' Airstream. I'm staying well below the towing capacity and GCWR of the TV. As appealing as it might be to use a smaller, more nimble vehicle, I think it's bad judgement to pull 90% of your capacity, and then add gear and people to the tow vehicle.
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I think it's bad judgement to pull 90% of your capacity, and then add gear and people to the tow vehicle.

Depends on the vehicle. When I drove oilfield hotshot the combined rig weight was often in excess of 30k . . on a 20k "rated" truck. These Dodge 1T's would only go about 335k before being retired at 4-6 years.

Axle and tire/wheel ratings are what really matter. The rest is just a question of acceleration rates and fuel burn.

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