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Old 02-09-2013, 04:55 PM   #15
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Old 03-07-2013, 05:27 PM   #16
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Here is what VW responded to my email questioning the use of a WD Hitch:

Dear Stephan,

We appreciate your interest in the VW Touareg!

The 2013 Touareg with tow package is equipped with heavy duty suspension and brake systems which allows for this amount to be towed. In addition we utilize Weight Carrying Hitches which are designed to support the trailer tongue weight.

Please also note, the Touareg was not designed to tow a Class II trailer. Please make sure the trailer you want to tow does not meet this classification. The ball mount you use on the Touareg must not exceed two inches (2"), and the maximum permissible trailer tongue weight exerted on the ball mount must not exceed 616 pounds. Finally, Volkswagen strongly discourages the use of weight distribution hitches. Use of one may cause damage to the vehicle which will not be covered under the terms of the warranties. For even more in-depth information about the Touareg's towing capabilities and guidelines, please feel free to speak with your dealer to see if they can lend you the owner's manual for it. Trailer towing information begins on page 177.

If you have any additional questions or concerns about towing with the VW Touareg, please feel free to let us know. You're also welcome to contact your local VW dealer to discuss this. You can locate a dealer in your area by clicking here: http://www.vw.com/portal/en/dealers?context=Header

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The Comment: I do not understand how the Touareg is capable of safely towing a 7716 lb trailer without using a weight distributing hitch. The tongue weight of such a trailer would be around 700 lbs pushing the rear of the Touareg down and lifting the front wheels. That would negatively affect handling. Help!
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Old 03-07-2013, 05:57 PM   #17
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WoW - in writing... Check my posts on "weigth distributing hitch" and popping the bolts on the tow hitch.
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Old 03-07-2013, 07:19 PM   #18
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I am confused. Is there a difference between a class II trailer and a class II hitch?

From uhaul's website:

Class 1 (Class I) trailer hitch
Trailer hitch with capacity of up to 2,000 lbs gross trailer weight and 200 lbs tongue weight.
Class 2 (Class II) trailer hitch
Trailer hitch with weight-carrying rating of up to 3,500 lbs gross trailer weight and 300/350 lbs tongue weight.
Class 3 (Class III) trailer hitch
Trailer hitch with weight carrying rating of up to 5,000 lbs gross trailer weight and 500 lbs tongue weight. Also sometimes used to refer to a hitch with any 2" receiver, regardless of rating.
Class 4 (Class IV) trailer hitch
Trailer hitch with weight carrying rating of up to 10,000 lbs gross trailer weight and 1,000 - 1,200 lbs tongue weight. Although many times any hitch with a capacity greater than 5,000 lbs gross weight is referred to as a Class 4.

But the Toureg can haul ~6500 lbs, which is way more than a class I hitch....
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Old 03-08-2013, 12:49 AM   #19
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"Please also note, the Touareg was not designed to tow a Class II trailer. Please make sure the trailer you want to tow does not meet this classification. The ball mount you use on the Touareg must not exceed two inches (2"), and the maximum permissible trailer tongue weight exerted on the ball mount must not exceed 616 pounds. Finally, Volkswagen strongly discourages the use of weight distribution hitches. Use of one may cause damage to the vehicle which will not be covered under the terms of the warranties"

I think the above reference is a typo as I had asked VW earlier if the hitch receiver on the Touareg was Class 4. I think they meant to sayClass IV.
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Old 03-08-2013, 07:01 AM   #20
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If you research the technical aspects of the T-reg structure design/integrity,strength etc I believe you would would find it the strongest most rigid body structure of any vehicle made today. Another advantage to rigidity is it's mid size.

When the T-reg test towed the 250,000lb jumbo jet it had 4 tons of ballast in the back seat.
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Old 03-08-2013, 09:41 AM   #21
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The conflicting stories you get from the various customer service reps is always interesting...same with the various dealerships.
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Old 03-08-2013, 10:32 AM   #22
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No surprise here that you got that response from a German VW Customer Service rep as those are the towing specifications in Europe. VW, Audi, Mercedes and other European manufactured cars and trailers use a very different hitch and towing system. The hitch receiver is smaller and less substantial than US receivers because they are designed to carry less weight -7% to 8% as opposed to the US ratio of 10% of towed weight. The hitch ball system is very different and a 50mm ball (=2") is the standard. The trailers don't use an A frame and instead is a straight arm with a different coupler system.

The hitch receivers mounted on German cars here in the US is the standard class IV receiver which is stronger and more robust than the European models with stronger bolts. Europeans do not use weight distribution hitches so hence why would they recommend them.


Orangekid, we have had this discussion with you on this forum and the Touareg forums previously and you chose not to purchase a Touareg because of the German specifications. There are many many of us on this and the other forums towing with Touaregs and I have yet to read of any one having issues of failed air suspension or ripping off their hitch.

I respect your decision to tow with a different vehicle but if you have never tried towing with the Touareg, then you will never understand its capabilities.
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Old 03-08-2013, 11:22 AM   #23
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No surprise here that you got that response from a German VW Customer Service rep as those are the towing specifications in Europe. VW, Audi, Mercedes and other European manufactured cars and trailers use a very different hitch and towing system. The hitch receiver is smaller and less substantial than US receivers because they are designed to carry less weight -7% to 8% as opposed to the US ratio of 10% of towed weight. The hitch ball system is very different and a 50mm ball (=2") is the standard. The trailers don't use an A frame and instead is a straight arm with a different coupler system.
I have read another difference for travel trailers in Europe is that they are required to have surge brakes instead of electric brakes and many W/D hitches are not recommended for use with surge brakes(most can cause interference if not setup properly for use with surge brakes and even most dealers don't or can't do that right).
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The conflicting stories you get from the various customer service reps is always interesting...same with the various dealerships.
I seem to be getting consistent responses from VW reps including the referral Class II trailers when I was asking if the Touareg had a Class IV hitch receiver.

Here is the latest response from VW Chat:

"Thank you for chatting with yesterday. I got that information you requested!

The hitch receiver for the 2013 Touareg is a class 3 and does not come standard on the vehicle. While this is a class 3 hitch, the maximum towing capacity is 7,716 pounds and the tongue weight is 616 pounds.

You will need to have your local VW Dealer install the hitch receiver. All of our vehicles that offer the ability to tow have the following to help assist on safely towing a trailer:

• Heavy duty radiator and battery
• A flasher system
• Heavy duty alternator
• Heavy duty suspension and brakes
• Engine oil cooler
• Transmission oil cooler

In order to ensure the Touareg you purchase has the ability to tow up to the maximum of 7,700 pounds, you will need to make sure it was ordered with the hitch from the factory and that you are using a trailer with brakes. If not, the maximum towable amount is 1,650 pounds.

Please know the maximum permissible trailer tongue weight exerted on the ball mount must not exceed 616 pounds. With the towing equipment properly installed, the weight of force pressing down on the tongue will not lift the front wheels. If the tongue weight is too low, the vehicle and the trailer will not handle as well.

Volkswagen strongly discourages the use of weight distribution hitches. An improperly adjusted weight distributing hitch system may reduce handling, stability, braking performance, and could result in an accident. We recommend to only use a weight-carrying trailer hitch designed and approved for the gross weight of the trailer you want to tow.

Some other helpful information about the Touareg is it was not designed to tow a Class II trailer. Please make sure the trailer you want to tow does not meet this classification. The ball mount you use on the Touareg must not exceed two inches (2”) and there are specific dimensions in which the height of the ball above the surface where it attaches and the pin-to-ball distance must be met. These dimensions are very important as a way to help determine the way the forces that arise during towing are applied properly to the receiver.

For even more in-depth information about the Touareg’s towing capabilities and guidelines, I encourage you to contact your local VW Dealer. I’m positive they will be more than willing to help you! To locate your nearest VW Dealer, please visit Find a Dealer - volkswagen.com.

I also encourage you to take a test drive of the Touareg if you have not already done so. I’m sure you will love the driving and handling the vehicle has to offer.

I hope we can see you in a new Touareg soon!

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Orangekid, we have had this discussion with you on this forum and the Touareg forums previously and you chose not to purchase a Touareg because of the German specifications. There are many many of us on this and the other forums towing with Touaregs and I have yet to read of any one having issues of failed air suspension or ripping off their hitch.
As you can tell I am still wrestling with the decision as to which TV I should purchase to replace my Toyota Sequoia. Besides the Jeep Grand Cherokee the only other mid-sized TV I have found that seems to be fully supported by the manufacturer to tow a 6000 pound trailer with a weight distributing hitch is the Lexus GX 460. It supports use of a WD hitch, has a class IV receiver, has a tow capacity of 6500 pounds, a weight carrying capacity of 1315 pounds. However, it does not have diesel option in the US and has an inconvenient side opening rear hatch.

As we have downsized to a small condo in downtown Portland, I don't have the luxury of owning two vehicles. That is why I am looking for a mid-sized SUV that would serve as our everyday vehicle as well as a TV. The Sequoia is too large and ponderous for driving around the narrow streets of Portland.
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OrangeKid, I see you are in Portland. Interestingly, after much searching, it was the Portland VW dealership parts man who could tell me the parts needed to install my brake controller. And he had them in stock. He sent them to me as well as the Tech bulletin that the other VW dealers knew nothing about.
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As we have downsized to a small condo in downtown Portland, I don't have the luxury of owning two vehicles. That is why I am looking for a mid-sized SUV that would serve as our everyday vehicle as well as a TV. The Sequoia is too large and ponderous for driving around the narrow streets of Portland.
The Touareg is maybe 15" shorter but I don't know if you are going to find anything much smaller than your Toyota that is going to fit your specs.
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And, it is generally suggested to have at least 10% of the trailer GVW on the tongue / hitch.
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