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Old 02-01-2012, 04:22 PM   #15
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You might be better off making the front lighter rather than the rear heavier. Mechanical brakes? are they legal here? Do you mean surge brakes? Just asking. jim
OVERRIDE OR OVERRUN BRAKE COUPLINGS

On trailers between 750 kg and 2000 kg total laden mass, braking systems that use an override principal are acceptable, as long as they provide adequate braking for the trailer and tow vehicle combination.
The principal of this type of coupling is a sliding shaft attached to the tow ball housing of the coupling, and as the tow vehicle slows down the force of deceleration is passed through the coupling shaft and pushed either on a mechanical linkage (for mechanical brakes) or acts on a linkage connected to a hydraulic cylinder providing hydraulic pressure to a braking system (hydraulic brakes) .
This type of coupling is efficient if the ball load is not excessive and when load levelling devices are not used, as these devices impede the smooth operation of the coupling, hindering the brake performance.
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Old 02-01-2012, 04:47 PM   #16
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What the ....? We're obviously no longer in Odessa, TX. Don't know nuttin' about European trailer hookups or even European version of the Touareg, except that the stock hitch weight is 770lbs.

You're on your own here. Roger, out.
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Old 02-01-2012, 05:52 PM   #17
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Correct, that's what the VW dealers in Europe say :

Do you think above set up would work safely for towing in Europe ?
Consider as well - the mass of your TV vs the mass of the AS ... especially when braking on a mountain pass ... your investment, safety, and lives ... it appears that you are trying to do something that the engineers could not accomplish in the TV design. mojo reminded you above of the 770+ lb hitch weight ...
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This thread is a joke, right? Tim, you are WAY over thinking this and your thinking is WRONG. The tongue weight, as MOJO said, is 770 lbs. No other european rules apply. The European hitch is COMPLETELY different than the one installed on a North American Touareg. As such, European trailers are built completely differently there to account for the lesser tongue weight. Reducing tongue weight in the manner you are thinking will be DEADLY to you and possibly others around.
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Old 02-01-2012, 08:10 PM   #19
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This thread is a joke, right? Tim, you are WAY over thinking this and your thinking is WRONG. The tongue weight, as MOJO said, is 770 lbs. No other european rules apply. The European hitch is COMPLETELY different than the one installed on a North American Touareg. As such, European trailers are built completely differently there to account for the lesser tongue weight. Reducing tongue weight in the manner you are thinking will be DEADLY to you and possibly others around.
Not overthinking it, but focussed on "solution" that will make things worse, as just above. Weighting the stern of the trailer versus the bow is dead wrong dangerous. A rack on the back of any trailer is a bad idea (no matter how often you see it done), especially so on an A/S.

Some clarity needed: when in Europe, use their spec TV & TT's. Over here I'd just go to (or pay a consult with plans from) CAN AM RV.
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Old 02-01-2012, 08:48 PM   #20
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2. Not to use any weight distribution hitch
6. Keep the hitch weight within 308lb (140kg), which is 4.23% of the loaded weight of the trailer 7300lb (3311kg), by moving the cargo into the very end inside the trailer and keep the heaviest stuff outside the trailer in the Thule BackUp cargo Box. Intention is to always keep the Hitch Weight at 308lb (140kg).

Do you think above set up would work safely for towing in Europe ?
We had a 2007 25FB CCD. With water in the tank, beer in the fridge, propane tanks full, that muther was over 1000lbs on the hitch without weight distribution bars.

Since the axles are at least 65% back from the front, you'll need a lot of weight on and under that dinette in the back. Better get a ProPride hitch. No way you're keeping that in one lane with 4% on the tongue.
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I'll wait to see what to OP says before I make any further comment.
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Old 02-01-2012, 11:33 PM   #22
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Well Tim I tell ya what. YOU GO RITE AHEAD. Its your wreck your about to have. SO HAVE AT IT. I just wish I had that kind of money to take a chance like that. But to answer your question directly NO NO NO NEVER!
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Old 02-02-2012, 04:13 AM   #23
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Some clarity needed: when in Europe, use their spec TV & TT's. Over here I'd just go to (or pay a consult with plans from) CAN AM RV.
Thanks !
I think need to get an opinion from CAN AM RV of how to legally tow the A/S 25FT in Europe with Touareg using the European type hitch with max tongue weight of 309lb (140kg).
P.S. The European Touareg is equipped by manufacturer with original European type hitch.
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Old 02-02-2012, 05:01 AM   #24
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I found this on another forum.

Early speculation suggested that while the Touareg may technically be able to tow 7700 pounds, its relatively short wheelbase would make for an unstable rig. Furthermore with the Volkswagen-supplied hitch, the Touareg's maximum tongue weight is 616 pounds . Some felt that a 7700 pound trailer with only 616 pounds on the tongue of the tow vehicle will make the trailer become less stable.
Others have pointed out that Volkswagen's literature contradicts itself regarding the Touareg's towing capacity. Volkswagen claims in numerous pieces of literature that the Touareg can tow 7700 pounds, but the owner's manual indicates that the Touareg sho uld only tow Class I or Class II trailers which are a maximum of 2000 and 3500 pounds respectively. [need to confirm owner's manual quote] It's conceivable that the Class II limit is a function of the hitch, not the vehicle itself. If this is the case, it 's possible that Volkswagen may eventually introduce a different hitch that allows the Touareg to realize its full towing potential.
In an article in RVlife magazine, the author tows a 30 foot, 6,700 pound Air Stream travel trailer with a V8 Touareg. The hitch weight was 760 pounds, which seems to be significantly more than the Touareg's published maximum tongue weight. The author repo rts "This is one fantastic tow vehicle that can tow a substantial trailer like the Airstream without any effort and in complete comfort".
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I found this on another forum.

Early speculation suggested that while the Touareg may technically be able to tow 7700 pounds, its relatively short wheelbase would make for an unstable rig. Furthermore with the Volkswagen-supplied hitch, the Touareg's maximum tongue weight is 616 pounds .
Outdated speculation which is now just misinformation.
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Before embarking on this venture, take the time to go to Jackson Center and take the factory tour. They are manufacturing Airstreams for the European market there, and you can see them on the production line. When I took the tour in this past October there were a number of such units and they are vastly different from the ones made for the North American market.

They are narrower. They have the European mechanical surge brake mechanism. They have different bumpers and marker lights, as well as large triangular reflectors. The surge brake mechanism includes a handbrake. They have a dolly wheel attached to the jack. They have handlebars that allow you to push or roll the trailer by hand into a parking spot. Yes, they are Airstream!
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Towed 25 footer Classic all over with TDI T-Rex and never, ever, even for a second, think of towing it without a PP or HaHa....

To answer the question...
No
No

Do a search on this forum and I think you will soon read many discussions on towing with a Cayeene & Touareg. Lot's of good info out there...

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800 over rear axle of VW could not be good

Think a jeep could take it maybe with solid rear axle and you could add stiff shocks even then though I would pass. 2000 lbs would be no problem, 3500 would be my max. If you are just pulling short distance slowly then maybe you would be ok. I would swap it for new ford f150 that's alot of weight. I towed 5000 loaded up trailer with cabinet material, weight was all in back and fishtailed swagged pretty good. VW motor will take it and does better than any v8 american motor, but suspension is holding you back.
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