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Old 05-11-2015, 09:45 PM   #99
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While they are the same company, there is a difference in assembly and parts, among other things. For example, there is a given time to do your individual assembly step. For Toyota the time is much shorted than for the Lexus. When you have more time to do your job, you can do a better job, especially when the next person down the line is critiquing your work.

In parts there is not necessarily a difference in quality but perhaps a difference in the defect rate. For a Toyota (just throwing out some numbers here) one defect in 100 may be acceptable while for a Lexus the defect rate may be one in 500. The manufacturer will pay more for the part with a lower defect rate but the reliability will be higher (and the vehicle cost).

I think the quality for all cars has improved significantly because of reports like these. The consumer has really benefited from the competition.

You are the right track, just lower the percentages a little. The automotives and their supplies track and report part defects in many ways. One common metric is "PPM" or parts per million (defective). Toyota and Lexus are typically purchasing components with documented PPMs of less than 10.


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Old 05-11-2015, 10:53 PM   #100
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If we ever live closer to a Lexus dealer, maybe we'll buy a Lexus.
Maybe we should buy a Lexus anyway and get it serviced at the Toyota place.
I really don't think there's a nickel's worth of difference between a Lexus 3.5liter V6 and a Toyota 3.5 liter V6.
I also don't think there's much difference in the power window/door lock/mirror switches, wiper/washer switches, cruise control switches, steering wheel controls, stereos, gear shift levers, and random switches for other things like traction control or moonroof.
The tires are probably the same. Brakes and transmissions are the same or similar.


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I spent most of my working career in the auto industry as a supplier to all the major manufacturers. By far Toyota and Honda were the best to deal with. While being very demanding they took the collaborative approach to problem solving (and let me tell you there are always problems to be solved). The big 3 would take the combative approach. I used to like to say the Japanese were interested in fixing the problem but their US counterparts were more interested in fixing the blame.

At least that's the way it used to be and I think it has changed somewhat as the quality of the big 3 has improved significantly. But the Japanese are still ahead. I just read an article listing the cars most likely to exceed 200,000 miles. There were 10, not surprisingly 5 made by Honda and 5 made by Toyota.
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Old 05-12-2015, 05:37 PM   #102
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Every vehicle I've been able to run past 200,000 has been a Toyota.

Volvo claims it, but I had 5 in the family at one time, and nothing but trouble...went back to Toyota.


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I ran a 1987 Mazda B2000 pickup well past 200,000 miles. I have never had the opportunity to wear out another one. Have 2 Toyotas and a Nissan now. From my experience, Toyota is better, even though I drive the Nissan every day.


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Old 05-12-2015, 06:39 PM   #105
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We just had a random gremlin in a 2001 Jeep Wrangler- intermittent no start-
Replaced battery cables because they appeared to be chewed on by some animal- still intermittent no start-
Replaced battery- still intermittent no start-
Replaced ignition switch- now it starts-


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If we had noticed the switch sooner-
Eventually, after replacing a lot of other stuff, we noticed that the switch would start the engine if barely engaged, but if the switch was fully engaged- no start- bad switch-
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Hi, I don't ever want a vehicle with 200,000 miles on it; It may still be running, but the rest of the vehicle will be a miserable piece of junk. And those who brag that their Diesels will last for 350,000 to 500,000 miles are a glutton for punishment. Now if you are dirt poor and can only afford to own one vehicle for fifty years, then that's a different story.
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There are a few older Mercedes still operational by their original owners with over 500,000 miles on the vehicle. Proper service will keep the vehicle alive. And yes, parts get replaced.
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Our Tahoe just turned 210,000,,,

It is still in very good shape. Last month we just got back from a 3,000 mile round trip with it towing the old streamer... Everything works but the drivers side heated seat.....,

For what they want for new vehicles that are suitable for towing, I am not going there, on principle.

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Hi, I don't ever want a vehicle with 200,000 miles on it; It may still be running, but the rest of the vehicle will be a miserable piece of junk. And those who brag that their Diesels will last for 350,000 to 500,000 miles are a glutton for punishment. Now if you are dirt poor and can only afford to own one vehicle for fifty years, then that's a different story.
Not necessarily so- we have had many vehicles with 200,000-400,000 miles that were in really good shape. The only indication of high miles is the odometer, but they still ride and drive as new. My boss has a 1953 Chevy 3100 pickup restored in the 90's that still drives as new.
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