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Old 04-02-2015, 07:03 AM   #43
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The charging system in my Dodge Ram is monitored by the ECU so the batteries are not over/under charged by the alternator.
I would suspect that most vehicles built in the last 10 years monitor the charging system closely and batteries now last much longer than they ever did before.

I did get lucky with my 1979 Gravely riding mower because the last battery went 9 years and 11 months and had to replace it last June
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Old 04-02-2015, 07:23 AM   #44
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Old 04-02-2015, 08:03 AM   #45
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What bothers me with these type reliability ratings is they don't rate them according to criticality or cost to repair. I mean if the cigaret lighter breaks it counts the same as if the engine blows up or a wheel falls off or if it is something that cost $1000 out of your pocket to fix. Reliability from my perspective is something that leaves me dead on the road and/or costs half what a house costs to fix. My main relaibility concerns are major drive train failures. The rest is pretty much window dressing.

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There are other rankings for that. JD Power does Initial quality, 3 and 5 year durability rankings, among others (this one is the 3 year). There is always more detailed information and breakdowns......but you typically have to pay for or subscribe for detail. You have to look for and understand what are the defined characteristics of any particular study and corresponding ranking.

In addition, Vincentric does the total cost of ownership rankings, which are primarily used by fleets.
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Old 04-02-2015, 09:02 AM   #46
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Still like to know where that 11 year old Toyota battery came from. Lol
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Well, since the car was made in Japan, I would guess Japan. That's as close as I can get. But the wife's '99 Sienna was built in Georgetown and that battery lasted until late 2012, so who knows? The 4Runner sits outside, the Sienna in the garage. I think you're right, it's just usage and never running them down.

That charge / discharge and keeping them topped off does the trick. I put a cheap ignition battery in the boat, used it 3 months and stored it for the winter. Come spring it was stone dead. I put a Delco in it years and years ago, keep the charger on a timer. It's still going strong.

Here's another tidbit. Years ago, in another life, I was a UPS driver. I delivered to a battery plant in Louisville. You could see them coming off the line: Delco, Die Hard, Amoco, all different brands. I asked one of the guys there, what's the difference? He said plates, quantity and thickness. He said buy the heaviest battery you can find.

Now, that was in the 70s, can't say if it holds true today or even if he was right. But it was interesting to see all those different brands coming off the same line. For a lead acid battery, I like Deka. It's a privately owned company and largest single battery plant in the world. I put one in the Sienna, that's 2 years down, let's see how long it lasts.
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Old 04-02-2015, 09:17 AM   #47
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its no surprise to see Ford left off the list. My Expedition is suffering from the spark plug breakage syndrome that plaques Fords. The local shop broke all 8 on removal and one fell into the cylinder. I had it towed to the Dealership yesterday and waiting for the word from them today.
That problem has been around for many years and is still an issue. Love the truck when its running right.
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Another big factor in battery longevity is how hot it gets. my indie mechanic said I might want to replace the battery even though it seemed fine after 10 years in my '01 BMW Z3. So I did because he had a bunch of OEM batteries at a discount. I've never, ever had that kind of battery longevity in 45 years of vehicle ownership. The difference is that, for weight distribution, the battery is in the trunk, where it stays nice and cool. The kind of heat you'll find in today's jam-packed engine compartments is not kind to batteries.
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I also worked at GM dealerships for over 20 years on and off starting in the mid 70's.
Initially we in the service department would constantly complain about the build quality and the lack of reliability of many components. Now it is the exact opposite. The complaint now is there is not enough warranty work and the maintenance has been cut to just oil changes and tire rotations. Brakes are lasting much longer and overhauling or rebuilding of everything else such as starters, alternators, carbs, water pumps, steering linkage, spark plugs and ignition components, and just about everything else are no longer done on a routine basis.
GM is now building some of the best vehicles made. Try one, you will like it!
I have a '09 Silverado with the 6.0L max tow package. It has 367hp to the ground and tows my 31' Soveriegn with ease, but I can't wait to get the new max tow package with the 6.2L and 420hp. You can never have too much horsepower!
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Johnson Controls makes a huge number of the battery brands
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its no surprise to see Ford left off the list. My Expedition is suffering from the spark plug breakage syndrome that plaques Fords. The local shop broke all 8 on removal and one fell into the cylinder. I had it towed to the Dealership yesterday and waiting for the word from them today.
That problem has been around for many years and is still an issue. Love the truck when its running right.
My guess is that your "local shop" didn't have a clue as to the process of removing your 5.4 plugs. Even going on Youtube will give you an idea of the process, especially if it's the first time the plugs have been changed. After 2002, the 5.4 and 6.8 Triton engines have not had that problem with plugs breaking or spitting, but one still needs to follow the right steps and use the right tools. The other thing to remember that Ford sells more F series trucks than nearly all of the other 2 combined, there's bound to be a few more issues that show up. Ford can't be doing too many bad things or their numbers would reflect it.
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I really believe GMC and Chevrolet are exactly the same- come down the same assembly line- the workers put GMC emblems on some of them, and Chevrolet emblems on others.
If anyone has any doubts, come see me at work. We'll walk the yard full of GMC's and Chevy's. The only way to tell the difference is the badging. They are otherwise identical. Engines, transmissions, rear ends, wheels, tires, seats, steering wheels, radios, dashes- identical-


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I really believe GMC and Chevrolet are exactly the same- come down the same assembly line- the workers put GMC emblems on some of them, and Chevrolet emblems on others.
If anyone has any doubts, come see me at work. We'll walk the yard full of GMC's and Chevy's. The only way to tell the difference is the badging. They are otherwise identical. Engines, transmissions, rear ends, wheels, tires, seats, steering wheels, radios, dashes- identical-


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Not between the Chevy Express/GMC Savana- unless you count the grill which is slightly different looking and totally interchangeable from one to another.
The 2007 Classic and back body style pickups might have a different front bumper/grill/headlights, but that is the only difference. The 2007 and up have slightly different fenders, hoods, and bed skins in addition to the grill/headlights/bumper.
The Tahoe/Yukon/Escalade are even closer kin than the pickups.
It's like back in the days of the Pontiac Parisienne/Chevy Caprice/Oldsmobile Delta 88- the Parisienne/Caprice were nearly identical except for trim.


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That's them, that's who I used to deliver to. They are/were on Fern Valley Rd in Louisville.
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