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Old 12-29-2013, 09:39 AM   #85
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What do you tow your Airstream with?
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Old 12-29-2013, 09:41 AM   #86
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These kinds of safety issues come down more to driver awareness and skill than anything else.

But they don't. One cannot overcome the physics involved. Pay attention to statisticis as neither you nor I are exempt. The question is more why use a high risk vehicle that is also more expensive to operate every mile of ownership when one with a lower risk is available . . and is cheaper to run.

Will it last as long? Gee, thousands of us used sedans "not rated" for 200k miles + 10-years ownership once upon a time. Cross country and for months at a time. When roads were not nearly so good as today.

The faulty assumption is that a truck is the default choice for towing. No, the operative quality is the travel trailer design. Start at the top when choosing a TV . . a pickup is some ways down any reasonable list. Leave the emotions out. If one wants to compromise towing stability, so be it. But be sure to report back on the total braking distance and accident avoidance envelope reductions. They matter.

Never driven a well-sorted combination? That's the second question. Most have not, and never will is the shame of it. No pickup makes that list.

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Sorry, but I will still respectfully disagree with you on this point. My bet is that most current pickup trucks with still out handle most of the travel trailers being pulled.

A graphic demonstration of how hard a high centered vehicle could be cornered was this: when my oldest daughter was 17, I took her to the Bondurant school for high performance driving in Phoenix. At the beginning of the school, we were all taken for a ride around the roadrace course in a one ton E350 15 passenger van. It is an eyeopening experience. Most people had no clue that a big boxy high centered van full of people could corner that fast. Skill.....the ability to control the vehicle in motion. Large part of it.

I'm sorry, but throwing the typical argument of "statistics" for rollover of pickups is probably not a good argument here. We would need to see all of the data to make it even worth consideration. For instance, how many of these rollovers are young fellows off-roading with 4WD ? Without knowing whether that and other use like that is part of the stats makes that discussion pointless.

I'm not arguing that you can't use a sedan to pull an airstream. Obviously you can. But to my mind there is more to what goes into making a good tow vehicle than just slalom handling.

All of which goes beyond the point of the subject of this particular thread.

Look, I'm not arguing that I am expert in vehicle dynamics. But, I have owned and driven a variety of cars and trucks over the last 45 years. I've towed with just about everything from a Honda Accord, a Chevy wagon, a Torino wagon, and various trucks.
I spent six years working as a crew member on a car roadracing team ( showroom stock and Formula Atlantic ), two years on a "super modified" team ( forerunner to Sprint car ) and unrelated to this, three seasons on a motorcycle roadrace team. So I have at least "some" experience in chassis/suspension setup, tire selection, etc.

I'll vote for superior skill any day over "a better handling sedan".

PS, as for the much vaunted 300C, my thoughts on it are this: it may in fact be a pretty good tow vehicle. But....I would not want to use one. My photographer buddy has a Hemi 300C and I've driven it a fair bit, and ridden in it a lot. It would not be my first choice as a long distance highway car. It's honestly not very comfortable. It's a "nice car", but my opinion is it's not a world beater/game changer.
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Earlier in this thread it was mentioned by Switz that he's never seen any vehicles getting weighed at an accident scene. He is most certainly correct in that observation but beware if it's going to happen ( and it might depending on the circumstances ) it would be done later during a re-construction of that MVA. That goes way beyond the scene investigation. So, where it is unlikely to happen it certainly is not beyond the scope of an investigation.
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Earlier in this thread it was mentioned by Switz that he's never seen any vehicles getting weighed at an accident scene. He is most certainly correct in that observation but beware if it's going to happen ( and it might depending on the circumstances ) it would be done later during a re-construction of that MVA. That goes way beyond the scene investigation. So, where it is unlikely to happen it certainly is not beyond the scope of an investigation.
I was chatting with a Civil Engineer friend of mine. One of his colleagues was approached by a Law firm to work for them. What does the law firm do? They get a list of the accidents that happened in the last year, go to the site of each accident, inspect the road/signs/etc. (they have Civil engineers do this), and if there is a minimal mismatch to what the code recommends (say the warning sign to slow down in 100 ft farther down than what the code says), they suit the state. They had won tens of millions of dollars in law suits and were expanding. BTW, my friends' colleague did not take the job offer. This shows in what kind of litigious society we live in. Very unfortunate.
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I guess there is a point at which the tow vehicle is too small for the trailer


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Old 12-29-2013, 03:29 PM   #92
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I am yet to see a single sedan towing an Airstream, where I have seen many many many trucks/SUVS/Vans.
A good point and it makes one wonder. To me it just makes so much sense to put an aerodynamic vehicle in front of the "state of the art" aerodynamic Airstream.
Considering the fact the proof is out there that it works, and works well, I'm surprised you haven't seen any cars towing Streams. It is fairly common in these parts.
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A Airstream has better aerodynamic properties than other travel trailers but is far from aerodynamic.it is a rounded corner brick wall traveling down the road.
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Old 12-29-2013, 04:21 PM   #94
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A Airstream has better aerodynamic properties than other travel trailers but is far from aerodynamic.it is a rounded corner brick wall traveling down the road.
Heh, heh.....yes sir, and in my experience with "rounded corner" horse trailers vs my square boxy SOB, those rounded corners and slightly lower profile is worth about 1.5 to 2 mpg. Hey, you gotta take what you can get......

I will readily admit my Frontier is not exactly aerodynamic compared to a sedan.
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Old 12-29-2013, 08:16 PM   #96
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If you want a diesel ... nothing else will float your boat - so to speak...go ahead and buy it! Realize that around town will cost more in terms of operating expenses and - as others have said - the diesel will cost more to begin with as well (also retain more value, too).

Hard to beat the diesel for towing - why did we wait so long !!!
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Old 12-29-2013, 09:31 PM   #97
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