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Old 12-27-2013, 08:08 AM   #57
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That tow rating a relevant point seemingly conveniently overlooked by some folks. Even if it was a number pulled out of the air, the 10 times the load concept definitely puts more stresses on the entire vehicle's frame and driveline than it was ever designed to handle.

Living with the long term consequences of poor decisions based upon wishful thinking can be a major life challenge.
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Unless one would be involved in the design of the vehicle, or had the skills to deduct from observation, we have no way of knowing what stresses this vehicle can or cannot handle in the real world. The low tow rating means nothing, if not backed up by data.

What we do know is that the vehicle can handle a top speed of 155mph, a speed that puts substantial stresses on engine, drive train and body.
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Old 12-28-2013, 09:04 AM   #59
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Next time I tow my trailer with my one ton truck with the scooters and camping supplies in the bed, I bet I will not care if your tow vehicle will go that fast. How fast will it go with 2500 pounds in the rear seat and trunk? You cannot make a car into a truck or a truck into a car! Jim
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Old 12-28-2013, 09:21 AM   #60
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Top speed is a moot point as far as I'm concerned. If 70 is the top speed it goes fast enough for me.
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Old 12-28-2013, 09:23 AM   #61
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I haven't ridden in the back seat of any car that is as roomy as the back seat of a crew can pickup or SUV.
The process of getting out of a low to the ground car is too much for me. I would have a pickup, SUV, or van even if I didn't tow a trailer.
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Old 12-28-2013, 09:28 AM   #62
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Next time I tow my trailer with my one ton truck with the scooters and camping supplies in the bed, I bet I will not care if your tow vehicle will go that fast. How fast will it go with 2500 pounds in the rear seat and trunk? You cannot make a car into a truck or a truck into a car! Jim
I didn't say that a car would be a suitable TV for everybody.

The point I was trying to make was that it should not be dismissed as such outright, and especially not based on numbers that appear, at least at this moment in time, inherently flawed.
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Flawed? Your opinion. Jim
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Old 12-28-2013, 10:10 AM   #64
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Perfect multi use truck?

1. light duty use, small trailer pulling, and daily driver = Frontier crew cab, V6 gas, six speed manual, 4WD. Sticker price was under $25K new.

2. heavy duty use, large trailer capable = F350 dually PS, auto trans, 4WD. Sticker price was just over $50K new

That's what works for us, so I reckon one really needs to be practical in thinking what the needs are, and match accordingly. The Ford has twice the capabilities, but cost twice as much, and uses approx twice the fuel in dollars.

I think this whole thing about how all us pickup drivers are gonna roll it the first time we swerve to avoid an obstacle is a red herring in this argument. These kinds of safety issues come down more to driver awareness and skill than anything else.
I can tell you when I set up my current camper with my Frontier, I went out and did some swerve testing to ensure the swaypro hitch works as advertised ( it does ), I can tell you that I can do some pretty severe swerves with this "poor handling" combo of Frontier + Funfinder ( boxy white white camper with crude leaf spring suspension ). About all I did that was bad in these tests was to "open all the drawers in galley, and otherwise rearrange some things inside the trailer".

That's my thoughts on it. The only thing that I would add to the "ideal" part of what I have, is that I would love to have the 3.0L V6 turbo diesel in the Frontier, that they sell in other markets. 400 plus ft-lbs of torque would be fun in this truck. That is by most accounts a nice motor. Designed by Renault, a company with a lot of experience in design/build of turbo diesels.
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FYI, Chrysler 300 is rated to tow 1000#. A 31 ft Airstream Classic has a GVWR of 10,000#.
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Not really. Most anyone you talk to in the vehicle industry agrees.
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Pretty clear in these endless, argumentative, and useless threads one man's truck is not another man's truck.

And some would rather pull their Airstream with a car, van, or SUV and do their hauling chores at home with a utility trailer. But a basic capable new truck came out $15,000 less than the SUV. That buys a lot of travel experiences, so we have a basic capable truck, a nice Airstream and use it six months year.
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Unless one would be involved in the design of the vehicle, or had the skills to deduct from observation, we have no way of knowing what stresses this vehicle can or cannot handle in the real world. The low tow rating means nothing, if not backed up by data.

What we do know is that the vehicle can handle a top speed of 155mph, a speed that puts substantial stresses on engine, drive train and body.
The manufacturer has designed, developed, tested, researched their vehicle and is the best to know what stresses the vehicle can or cannot handle. That is why they publish ratings for the vehicle. Why some people on this forum are arguing against this simple fact is beyond me.

Porsche 911's drive train has can handle a max speed of 235 mph. It also has amazing handling, low center of gravity, high torque engine, low weight, etc. I think we all are in agreement here that 911 is not a tow vehicle.
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The real simple fact is that there is no agreed upon standard anywhere that determines what a published tow rating actually means. The second one exists is the second I am prepared to take these values seriously.

As it currently stands, these values appear to be marketing driven, rather than engineering driven. For trucks, towing ability is frequently, and demonstratable, overstated. For cars and vans it is equally frequently, and demonstratable, understated.

Blindly believing these numbers does not guarantee a good towing experience.
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The manufacturer has designed, developed, tested, researched their vehicle and is the best to know what stresses the vehicle can or cannot handle. That is why they publish ratings for the vehicle. Why some people on this forum are arguing against this simple fact is beyond me.
It's why Specialty Equipment Manufacturers exist by the thousands creating after market products designed to modify and/or improve vehicles for all types of uses including better handling, performance, braking, off-road use, and yes, even towing. It's why people on this forum are looking for better ways to adapt their vehicles to their situation, short of going out and buying a new $70K one-ton truck. There are hundreds of ways to modify vehicles and keep them safe. Car and truck manufacturers are concerned with building vehicles that are functional and affordable. If they were so right-on as far as quality and capability, I doubt we would have so many safety and mechanical problems and recalls.
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