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Old 08-02-2007, 10:32 PM   #15
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I think the 4.6 L would be about 276 CI + - a little.

They are supposed to have move HP and Torque than the 302 but it is still a very small block V8.
Hi, the 4.6 L engine is 281 Cu. In.
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Old 08-02-2007, 11:57 PM   #16
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Being on my second F-150, i will chime in here too.

Both of mine have been newer than what has been mentioned here. A 2002 and a 2005, which have the 5.4L. While i cant speak for towing on the east coast or even through the Rocky Mtns, i can about conditions here in Oregon.

I think it is a great TV. I have made a lot of towing climbs throughout Oregon's various mountain ranges and my F-150 always steps right up to the job with my 23' Safari. The Coast range, Cascades, Blues, etc. I am never the guy people are stacked up behind.

The Columbia River Gorge can create some pretty hairy wind conditions and very frequently does. Again, no issues.

I am so confident in this truck i wouldnt have any reservations about towing a new 25' trailer with it.
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Old 08-03-2007, 12:18 AM   #17
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Both of mine have been newer than what has been mentioned here. A 2002 and a 2005,
I am so confident in this truck i wouldnt have any reservations about towing a new 25' trailer with it.
yea the new 150s are stout!

but yours are 10th/11th generation models...

rodney's is an 8th generation.

which had about 150 hp?

and had wimpy brakes compared to the new models...

which now have fat vented discs all around...

the newer 150s are rated UP to 10,500lb towing (11k this year ?) and have gcwr of nearly 16,000 lbs.

these babies will tow a LOT of airstreams...

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Old 08-03-2007, 05:50 AM   #18
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The subject of what TV is adequate for what trailer is a perpetual topic here, so I figured I would weigh in on my experience with my truck-trailer combo.

I just wrapped up my first western trip* with the Trade Wind (68) towing with my 1991 F150 (302 engine standard transmission) and have come to some conclusions. First: the F150 which has a new engine (factory rebuilt) from last summer and new radiator (this summer) is perfect for eastern towing including anything the Smoky mountains had to throw at it; for plains towing when there is significant wind and for high altitude towing it was enough to get by with the following caveats. First, it really needed more power. Whether or not a engine larger than 5 L would have been adequate I can’t say, but the 302 just had no punch. Second, even with the new radiator extended high RPM steep climbs (> 2 mile) that slowed speed to less than 40 MPH tended to cause temps to rise albeit not to the point of “overheating” on any of the climbs I experienced. Finally, while I has no breaking problems, I have to say on some of the long down grades it occurred to me that a beefier braking system would have been better.

The biggest surprise for me was that the truck did fine at altitude (9,000ish ft) but the big issues were long steep climbs and wind on the plains. So, is the F150 an adequate TV? The answer is a qualified yes. Yes, provided that 1) you are in the east or 2) doing limited plains or high altitude towing, 3) are mindful of the limitations of the rig and can adjust your travel attitude and driving habits to cope with them, and 4) can tolerate a certain level of stress related to demanding this much from the rig under such conditions.

If I were staying in the east with only limited plans to travel the Rockies I would be happy to stick with this truck. Having said that, since I am moving to the plains and anticipate extended high altitude travel, I will be looking to move to a ¾ ton TV.


* See http://www.airforums.com/forums/f463/max-rpms-302-a-33108.html for some of the pre-trip size up and the during the trip discussion of TV issues.
I think for a "conscientious" person such as yourself (relative to towing your trailer) you know what is feasible and what isn't. I think for the "newbie" and the "far less knowledgeable" they should go for "more" when it comes to a tow vehicle to allow for a greater "margin of safety" and a "warm fuzzy feeling" inside knowing they can (with a more than adequate TV) probably handle most situations with no problem.
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Old 08-04-2007, 12:29 AM   #19
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yea the new 150s are stout!

but yours are 10th/11th generation models...

rodney's is an 8th generation.

which had about 150 hp?

and had wimpy brakes compared to the new models...

which now have fat vented discs all around...

the newer 150s are rated UP to 10,500lb towing (11k this year ?) and have gcwr of nearly 16,000 lbs.

these babies will tow a LOT of airstreams...

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Hi, I want to add a few things to what 2air said; I have seen advertisements saying that the F-150 can tow, or is rated to tow, 11,000 lbs, but at the Ford dealer where I work, I can't find it in print anywhere. I can still only find the 10,500 lb rateing. And as 2air mentioned the bigger and better for stopping brakes; this is true, but we have seen many newer F-150's, Expeditions, and Navigators with worn out brake pads at 15,000 miles. Some of these will need rotors on the first brake job and most will need rotors by the second brake job. My older [2000] Navigator has over 44,000 miles on the original front pads and I replaced the rear pads at about 35,000 miles.
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Old 08-08-2007, 02:46 PM   #20
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It's nice to hear that aan F-150 is a decent TV for a 25 footer. I have a 2004 F-150 with the 5.4 V8 and a factory tow package. We plan to get our 25' Safari SS SE in March and we live in the Southern Rockies.
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Old 08-08-2007, 03:08 PM   #21
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It's good to hear the praise for the newer F-150's. I'm a little over a month away from my first mountain experience, and my level of apprehension is going down.

My 2006 Lincoln Mark LT, is the same as an F-150 King Ranch, without the cowboy accents. In 2006, the F-150 King Ranch with the HD towing package was rated to tow up to 9,000 lbs. My Mark LT with HD towing package, is rated at 8,900 lbs, which I found out is because of the 20" wheels, instead of the standard 18" wheels.

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yea the new 150s are stout!

but yours are 10th/11th generation models...

rodney's is an 8th generation.

which had about 150 hp?

and had wimpy brakes compared to the new models...

which now have fat vented discs all around...

the newer 150s are rated UP to 10,500lb towing (11k this year ?) and have gcwr of nearly 16,000 lbs.

these babies will tow a LOT of airstreams...

cheers
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I have a 1990 F-150 w/ 302 which I will be towing my Argosy 24 with now. The 302 EFI puts out a whopping 185 hp. It's going to be a big change from towing with my 04 Ram 2500 w/hemi. I plan on taking the scenic routes and driving slow, see ya when I get there kind of speed. I do plan on replacing the front rotors with slotted and drilled rotors w/ ceramic pads for some extra braking power.
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Old 02-25-2008, 02:37 AM   #23
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If I were going to tow with an older F-150 (and I did with an '88 model) I'd try to find one with the 300 c.i. (4.9L) straight six. It's a truck engine, designed from the get go to be used in a truck. The 302 is a car engine, and actually has considerably less torque than the six. With the 4.9, the F-150 makes a great tow vehicle. The 351 is a good puller too, but it's not easy to find in a 150 and gets from fairly poor to horrible gas mileage.
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Old 02-25-2008, 09:44 PM   #24
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What axle ratio and tire size do you have on your F150?

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Old 02-25-2008, 10:27 PM   #25
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Hi, Journalist. The 300 CI six, like the 460 V-8, were such great engines so Ford decided to discontinue them. Seems like whenever a product is too good they get rid of them. More parts and service sales for some of the newer engines.
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I can't resists talking about the 300 Ford Truck 6 cylinder. Maybe...just maybe the best motor EVERY in a truck. Not the most powerful of course..but they do have a lot of torque. Honest folks...you can't wear one out. They had great oiling characteristics. Well balanced..I had one that was used as a long haul in a One Ton Van and it had 624,000 miles on it when we GAVE it away. It had never..I repeat never had the value convers off it. Granted most of them miles were hiway and sometimes 350 miles a day...but what an engine. My son has one in his 95 half ton and it has 235,000 miles on it and it still only uses half a quart of oil between oil changes. Ford quit making the motor because emission standards would be hard on it.
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What axle ratio and tire size do you have on your F150?

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Don't know if you meant me so just in case. 355 rearend and 225/70/15.

I had a 76 ford w/300 straight six and it was a stump puller but the 302 is also a very good motor that I believe will do the job for us just fine. Best motor in a truck would be a toss up for me between a Mopar slant 6, Mopar 318ci V-8 and the Ford 300 straight 6.
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