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Old 01-02-2016, 05:23 PM   #15
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For me, the choice became a matter of towing stability and safety. After our accident a couple of years ago, which I still blame (slightly) on the instability of the short wheel base Yukon, the pickup that I purchased is more than of towing fresh air! There is absolutely no comparison in the way our 27' FB handles being towed by the pickup compared to Yukon. Until one has towed with both types of vehicles, you will never really know the difference. I'm sure there are that there are many that tow with a short wheel base SUV and are quite happy. However, for me there just is no comparison.


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Old 01-02-2016, 06:07 PM   #16
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Wheelbase and stability. We towed or 25' with both 120" wheelbase and 140" wheelbase pickups. The 120" was a little better probably due to it's low profile 20" tires having less sidewall flex, and a little less distance from its rear axle to hitch ball (less leverage to push the truck sideways).

I didn't like either truck's stability in strong, gusty sidewinds and/or semi's passing until we got our Hensley/ProPride hitch which eliminated the issue entirely on our 120" wheelbase Ram 1500.
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Old 01-04-2016, 01:20 AM   #17
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We are currently full-timing in a Flying Cloud 27, which we have pulled from Washington DC to California with 2015 GMC Sierra 1500 crew cab with the 6.2 liter gas engine. The rear seat bottoms of our truck fold up, leaving a nice flat floor for our Golden Retriever, Clark Kent. He can easily stick his nose out the back window. Clark is a big dog-- nearly 100 lbs. and not fat. He's very comfortable in that space. We don't have a heavy cap, just a tonneau. Having space for the dog was a criterion in our TV selection. IIRC, the F-150s we looked at had a similar arrangement. However, the F-250s have trays under the rear seats which pretty much rules out use of that area for dogs unless you have them ride on the seats which, IMHO, is a safety issue for both dogs and people. I think two dogs of Clark's size would be ok so long as driver and front passenger seat are not pushed all the way back. I'm happy not to have messy stuff inside the vehicle with me: generator, gas can and sometimes damp or dirty "ground rug" in particular. So, we really didn't consider an SUV.
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Old 02-20-2016, 01:13 PM   #18
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So here an update on my search for out TV. After looking at a few Expeditions I have ruled them out because of low payload capacity. I have been looking at F150s with my preference being a super crew with the 3.5 Ecoboost. That said I just saw a super cab and 5.0 at my local dealer. The truck is a nicely equipped Lariat with a price I could afford.

I know a lot of you tow with the Ecoboost but how is the 5.0? I don't want to fall for a pretty face and good price only to be disappoint later.

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Old 02-20-2016, 01:23 PM   #19
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I currently tow a 30' with the 5.0. We are weekend warriors and tow light and the truck does well. Switching to LT tires helped some softness.

I bought the truck when towing a 25'. If I knew I was going to 30' I probably would have opted for the ecoboost. Also, if out west I'd look at the ecoboost.
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Old 02-20-2016, 02:59 PM   #20
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My TV is a 2013, 150, Eco Boost. Love the low RPM torque. It is also the best riding vehicle I have ever driven. Whatever model you are considering be sure and get the backup camera. Lift the back seats and it has lots of storage room. Our cats like it. Also, get the tail gate step option and 36 gallon gas tank.
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Old 02-20-2016, 03:18 PM   #21
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So here an update on my search for out TV. After looking at a few Expeditions I have ruled them out because of low payload capacity. I have been looking at F150s with my preference being a super crew with the 3.5 Ecoboost. That said I just saw a super cab and 5.0 at my local dealer. The truck is a nicely equipped Lariat with a price I could afford.

I know a lot of you tow with the Ecoboost but how is the 5.0? I don't want to fall for a pretty face and good price only to be disappoint later.

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May I ask what was the payload figures/range for the Expeditions you saw?
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Old 02-20-2016, 06:34 PM   #22
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Most of the Expeditions I looked at the payload capacity was between 1300 & 1400 lbs. The long wheel base had the higher capacity. When you add in the tongue weight of AS and passengers you don't have much left for any thing else. Most of the F150s are about 1600 lbs
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Old 02-20-2016, 06:46 PM   #23
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If you are choosing among full size SUVs and full size trucks, the choice is largely determined by your unique payload capacity requirements, NOT by 'towing' capacity. Most all of them are capable of 'towing' an Airstream, no problem.

If you are going to be towing a smaller size (lighter weight) Airstream, and your payload capacity requirements are minimal, either a full size SUV or a full size pickup truck may be well suited and the choice will depend on which vehicle design meets your particular needs better. It comes down to payload capacity at this point.

If you are going to be towing a 30'+ size Airstream and you like to be able to carry a good amount of people/gear/equipment/supplies/dogs, etc. with you, you may find that a 1/2 ton SUV or pickup might not provide sufficient payload capacity (remember, this is NOT towing capacity) for your needs. It all depends on your unique needs. And no one else can make this determination for you, as no one else knows what your cargo/payload requirements are.

Neither an SUV, nor a truck is the 'correct' choice for anyone in particular... Only you can determine which choice meets your needs best, both in terms of cargo/payload capacity and vehicle design. They each offer various advantages and disadvantages, depending on your unique requirements.

Just make sure that your payload capacity requirements are comfortably met. Many buyers look at towing capacity alone without realizing how important it is to also consider PAYLOAD capacity when making their choice. Don't depend on any car salesman to determine this for you, they cannot (and may not be trustworthy enough to do so) you really MUST figure this part out for yourself!
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Old 02-20-2016, 07:27 PM   #24
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Our personal choice was for a Denali HD 3/4 ton with Duramax/Allison, and I'm sure we would have been just as happy with Sierra SLT or Silverado LTE with Duramax/Allison.

We needed the payload/cargo capacity of the 3/4 ton and we wanted the pickup design with enclosed tonneau cover to hold generators, gas cans, BBQ, charcoal, firewood, tools, and misc. camp stuff without them being on the "inside" of an enclosed SUV. The crew cab backseat flips up giving a large, flat floor, big enough to comfortably take our two dogs (90 lbs. & 60 lbs.).

This vehicle choice may work well for you, or perhaps not, it just depends on your unique needs.



Here is our payload calculation

Man 190
Woman 140
Golden Lab Dog 90
Staffs/Heeler Dog 60
2 EU2000i Gen 100
5 gal. gas 35
Retrax Pro Cover 90
BBQ & Charcoal 15
6 gal. bottled water 42
2 camp recliners 15
Camp Table 8
Bag of dog food 40
Tool Chest 10
Camp Fire Wood 20


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855 lbs.

Add in Airstream Tongue Wt. 1200 lbs.

TOTAL required cargo capacity: 2055 lbs.

Denali HD Cargo Capacity: 2294 lbs.
Our required cargo capacity: 2055 lbs.

Unused (remaining) cargo capacity: 239 lbs.

We still have enough remaining payload capacity to add a kayak, raft, and/or another person (or two) if desired.

As far as towing power and slowing/braking power is concerned, we live near the Rockies and find that the Duramax pulls the 30' Serenity effortlessly when climbing high Rocky Mountain passes and keeps speed controlled with very little braking input when descending the Rocky Mountain passes.
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Most of the Expeditions I looked at the payload capacity was between 1300 & 1400 lbs. The long wheel base had the higher capacity. When you add in the tongue weight of AS and passengers you don't have much left for any thing else. Most of the F150s are about 1600 lbs
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Our personal choice was for a Denali HD 3/4 ton with Duramax/Allison, and I'm sure we would have been just as happy with Sierra SLT or Silverado LTE with Duramax/Allison.

We needed the payload/cargo capacity of the 3/4 ton and we wanted the pickup design with enclosed tonneau cover to hold generators, gas cans, BBQ, charcoal, firewood, tools, and misc. camp stuff without them being on the "inside" of an enclosed SUV. The crew cab backseat flips up giving a large, flat floor, big enough to comfortably take our two dogs (90 lbs. & 60 lbs.).

This vehicle choice may work well for you, or perhaps not, it just depends on your unique needs.



Here is our payload calculation

Man 190
Woman 140
Golden Lab Dog 90
Staffs/Heeler Dog 60
2 EU2000i Gen 100
5 gal. gas 35
Retrax Pro Cover 90
BBQ & Charcoal 15
6 gal. bottled water 42
2 camp recliners 15
Camp Table 8
Bag of dog food 40
Tool Chest 10
Camp Fire Wood 20


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855 lbs.

Add in Airstream Tongue Wt. 1200 lbs.

TOTAL required cargo capacity: 2055 lbs.

Denali HD Cargo Capacity: 2294 lbs.
Our required cargo capacity: 2055 lbs.

Unused (remaining) cargo capacity: 239 lbs.

We still have enough remaining payload capacity to add a kayak, raft, and/or another person (or two) if desired.

As far as towing power and slowing/braking power is concerned, we live near the Rockies and find that the Duramax pulls the 30' Serenity effortlessly when climbing high Rocky Mountain passes and keeps speed controlled with very little braking input when descending the Rocky Mountain passes.
Thanks for sharing your payload info. Very useful.
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Our mileage with the new Denali HD Duramax/Allison:

Towing the 30' Serenity in the Rocky Mountains: 11.7 mpg
Stop & go in town driving, not towing: 15.4 mpg
Freeway driving, not towing: 18.8

We are quite pleasantly surprised at the fuel economy we get with this 3/4 ton diesel pickup.
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855 lbs.

Add in Airstream Tongue Wt. 1200 lbs.

TOTAL required cargo capacity: 2055 lbs.
Hey DHart,

First of all.... I love this picture. We're huge fans of CO, as well as your set up. If price was no option, we'd get the HD Denali as well to tow our soon to be 30' Serenity. I think we've finally settled on the Sierra 1500 with the 6.2L/Max Trailering package which is giving us ~1,900 lbs. of payload.

Quick question about your calculation. I assume you have some sort of WD hitch so wouldn't ~25% of the 1,200 hitch weight be transferred to the trailer's axles and not counted toward the truck's payload? Still learning here so want to make sure I'm doing our own payload calcs correctly.

PS - Thanks again on your US Bank recommendation. We were able to get a really great rate!

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