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Old 06-08-2015, 02:08 PM   #15
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What does 6% grades mean? Sorry, new to all the lingo!
means the road rises (or falls) 6 feet in every 100
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Old 06-08-2015, 02:08 PM   #16
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May be a dumb question: but what are the true, long-term benefits of going with a diesel? Is it just gas mileage?
We were wanting to steer clear of a diesel since we will drive this vehicle even when we are not towing; that said, we are more concerned with making the right choice for when we ARE towing.
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Old 06-08-2015, 02:14 PM   #17
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So here are pictures of our 2010 1/2 ton and then 2012 3/4 ton Suburbans with out dear departed 25" Eddie Bauer. We currently have a 2015 Yukon XL Denali which I would have loved to tow with.

Anyway, the 1/2 ton had the 3.08 gearing which was rubbish and the 3/4 ton was fantastic to tow with but a little rough (both on the back side and on the gas) when solo.

The new generation GM SUVs are fantastic. If you haven't tried one yet, give them a shot. While I haven't driven them, the Ford Expedition/Expedition EL are now available with the 3.5 Ecoboost which I understand is a great combo.
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Old 06-08-2015, 02:21 PM   #18
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Another question: Since we are looking to buy a used TV, and we are wanting to travel full time, and we will need to keep this vehicle for many years (or at least the foreseeable future):What do you think the odometer reading should look like on our new (used)TV?
What little I know about cars is dealing with my previous Honda Accord and my current Toyota Camry, so any insight would be most helpful.
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Thank you for the information, and the comparison pics!
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Old 06-08-2015, 02:26 PM   #20
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May be a dumb question: but what are the true, long-term benefits of going with a diesel? Is it just gas mileage?
We were wanting to steer clear of a diesel since we will drive this vehicle even when we are not towing; that said, we are more concerned with making the right choice for when we ARE towing.
Better gas mileage and much better low-end torque for towing.

My neighbors have a Mercedes Bluetec diesel and they don't tow a thing ... they just like the better mileage and 700 mile range between fillups. Interior is identical to the gas version. Modern diesel cars / SUVs are quiet and refined, not like the old days...
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Oh wow, thats a nice mile range!! So overall, it is a much better choice for towing? and has its benefits for not towing as well?
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May be a dumb question: but what are the true, long-term benefits of going with a diesel? Is it just gas mileage?
We were wanting to steer clear of a diesel since we will drive this vehicle even when we are not towing; that said, we are more concerned with making the right choice for when we ARE towing.
The new diesel engines deliver superb mileage, whether you're towing or not. Up here in Canada they are getting really popular these days.
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If you're planning of full timing the diesel might pencil out. Generally speaking the Diesel engine commands a premium and the routine maintenance is also more expensive. Finally, the fuel can be more expensive. If you tow a lot the added economy can balance all that out, if not, well you'll still have the great torque characteristics of a diesel.

The biggest thing to look for in a used Suburban is that it needs to have the towing package. Look for the integrated brake controller and the transmission cooler in front of the radiator. Just because it's got a hitch received does not mean it's got the towing package.
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Old 06-08-2015, 03:25 PM   #25
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We have two active tow vehicles. One is a 2005 Suburban 2500 (3/4 ton). The other is a 2011 Silverado Duramax 3500 (1 ton diesel).

During the last ten years, we have had two Airstream 25FB's. These units weigh in the 7,400# area. During the first six years of our Airstreaming adventures, we towed with two different Suburban 2500's, towing over 100,000 miles. We have always found the Suburbans very capable in all towing situations all over the country. Admittedly, there is some struggling on severe upgrades and some runaway train affect on significant downgrades.

About four years ago, we added Silverado Duramax to the mix. We did this because we acquired an Outfitter Pop-up Truck Camper for side trips to the back country. As the truck camper alone weighs 3,200#, we were beyond the capabilities of a gasoline engine. We have found that the diesel pick-up can carry the truck camper and pull the Airstream under any conditions. Road upgrades are meaningless to the diesel truck. This truck can accelerate on a 7% upgrade without breaking a sweat. I have also come top appreciate the diesel's exhaust brake that nicely handles long downgrades without any anxious moments.

All of this being said, we still keep the Suburban for our winter towing which is mainly in Florida. The Silverado does most of our summer towing in the mountains out west.

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No problems? uphill? enough power?

what is your exact yr/model/trim etc on those Jeeps!
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I towed my 20' 2007 Safari with a Mercedes ML500. Towed from NY to Alaska and several times out west. Loved it.

In 2012 we got a Dodge Durango and then a 2014 25' FC. The Durango tows very well and is a great daily driver. It's based on the same platform as the Mercedes GL(Mercedes owns Chrysler when it was designed).

If I had it to do all over again, I'd do it all over again the same way.
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If you're thinking of buying used, seriously consider a Mercedes CPO (Certified Pre-Owned). The MB CPO program adds another year to the factory warranty and has NO mileage limit - unlimited miles! Given that most are 1-3 years old, you'll have 2-3 additional years with no mileage restrictions on your diesel and peace of mind. I even bought 2 additional years taking me out to 2019 with unlimited miles on my ML 350 BlueTec - it's nick-name is the 'Beast', go see one and you'll know why we call it that.
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