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Old 08-15-2016, 10:47 AM   #1
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First post on Air Forums after reading for many months. My wife and I are planning our upcoming retirement with an airstream travel trailer. We've decided we would purchase a truck for our TV. Since we are interested in using a gas powered truck, I noticed in the case of a Chevrolet 2500, the HP and torque is not as good as many other 1/2 ton pickups. It does have the payload capacity needed, but would like comments on whether the heavier 2500 with less hp and torque would be a problem towing a FC28 through the rockies?
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Old 08-15-2016, 11:07 AM   #2
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Just about any V8 sold today or the last 20 years will get you through the Rockies. Some faster than others. My 5.6L V8 Nissan Armada is far from the biggest V8 out there, but, it does just fine. I live in CO and tow Mtns a whole lot.

Personally, if I were looking at a Chevy gas V8 now, I'd get the 6.2L. I have driven that in a Yukon and it's quite powerful.
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Times two on the 6.2L, very good drivetrain.

If your shopping new ck the tires carefully...I inspected a new GMC Denali XL,(think Suburban), with the 6.2. It was equipped with Passenger "Eco" tires, meager improvement in mpg with very poor payload.

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Old 08-15-2016, 02:31 PM   #5
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The 6.2L GM is not available in the HD trucks and only in the high end 1500 models . If your towing that means the payload becomes a big problem.
I think there are missing a big market with its under powered V8 in the HD class
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Old 08-15-2016, 02:53 PM   #6
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I agree with MOS. there is a good-but-unserved market for a larger gasoline engine for the HD trucks. For years I pulled AS ( 25 & 30) with a V10 F250 which did a great job. I traded this spring for a new F250 and had to get the V8. HP and torque are both lower than the V10. GM even less and Ram hemi not much better than the Ford V8. It seems everybody is trying to push the HD owners into a diesel, whether we want them or not.

I haven't taken my new V8 to the Rockies, but expect it will do okay. I sure miss the V10, however.
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Old 08-15-2016, 02:56 PM   #7
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The Ford Ecoboost V6 is an impressive tow vehicle. Has more HP and torque than a lot of the V8s. Its worth looking into.
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Hi all,
First post on Air Forums after reading for many months. My wife and I are planning our upcoming retirement with an airstream travel trailer. We've decided we would purchase a truck for our TV. Since we are interested in using a gas powered truck, I noticed in the case of a Chevrolet 2500, the HP and torque is not as good as many other 1/2 ton pickups. It does have the payload capacity needed, but would like comments on whether the heavier 2500 with less hp and torque would be a problem towing a FC28 through the rockies?
Thanks for your insight.
I was a big fan of the 6.2l on my last two GMC Denalis until the last one blew a motor at 115,000m. I since found out that they don't offer it in the 2500 HD pickup because it is not an HD truck engine. It is an aluminum block corvette [or car, light truck] engine and not best suited for towing a heavy trailer. I towed my two AS's [31 and 25] with it and thought everything was great until it blew and I got an education from a GM guy about the engine. The 6.0 liter in the 2500 truck is better suited for towing especially with the new transmission. I had an 8.1 in my 2500 Suburban and that was a beast. It would pass anything except a gas station.
I now have a 2500 GMC diesel and I know some people prefer gas, but I am thrilled with the diesel. For torque and power, it is similar to the 8.1 gas engine with double the MPG.
Bottom line as said before, almost any V8 with tow package and the new multi speed transmissions will work.
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I was a big fan of the 6.2l on my last two GMC Denalis until the last one blew a motor at 115,000m. I since found out that they don't offer it in the 2500 HD pickup because it is not an HD truck engine. It is an aluminum block corvette [or car, light truck] engine and not best suited for towing a heavy trailer. I towed my two AS's [31 and 25] with it and thought everything was great until it blew and I got an education from a GM guy about the engine. The 6.0 liter in the 2500 truck is better suited for towing especially with the new transmission. I had an 8.1 in my 2500 Suburban and that was a beast. It would pass anything except a gas station.
I now have a 2500 GMC diesel and I know some people prefer gas, but I am thrilled with the diesel. For torque and power, it is similar to the 8.1 gas engine with double the MPG.
Bottom line as said before, almost any V8 with tow package and the new multi speed transmissions will work.

A bit of mis-information here. True it is not an off-road stump puller...like pulling a backhoe over rough terrain. That's primarily what a 2500/3500 is designed for.

The aluminum 6.2 IS a trailer tow-er! My 1500 6.2 is rated at 17,700#GCWR and 11,900 max trailer weight. And contrary to a post upstream, It's door jamb label says 2034# payload. It is a loaded LTZ double cab.
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I agree with MOS. there is a good-but-unserved market for a larger gasoline engine for the HD trucks. For years I pulled AS ( 25 & 30) with a V10 F250 which did a great job. I traded this spring for a new F250 and had to get the V8. HP and torque are both lower than the V10. GM even less and Ram hemi not much better than the Ford V8. It seems everybody is trying to push the HD owners into a diesel, whether we want them or not.

I haven't taken my new V8 to the Rockies, but expect it will do okay. I sure miss the V10, however.
You can thank the Cafe standard forced on us for the demise of the Ford V10 and the Dodge V10. I had driven a Dodge Ram with a V 10 and 3.73 gears. It would pull so easily. But who buys a V10 and is surprised its fuel mileage is low ? You buy it for near diesel like torque. People really liked the Ford Excursion. Strong vehicle available with diesel and I think you could get it with a V10, but the media didn't like it. So it was attacked that you hate the environment if you had one. Sad.

Yeah I think a lot of people miss the V10.
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You can thank the Cafe standard forced on us for the demise of the Ford V10 and the Dodge V10. I had driven a Dodge Ram with a V 10 and 3.73 gears. It would pull so easily. But who buys a V10 and is surprised its fuel mileage is low ? You buy it for near diesel like torque. People really liked the Ford Excursion. Strong vehicle available with diesel and I think you could get it with a V10, but the media didn't like it. So it was attacked that you hate the environment if you had one. Sad.

Yeah I think a lot of people miss the V10.
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I drove my friends ford V10, pulling a dump trailer, gross 12000 lbs, that thing was about like my 72 ford with a 390 ! Was a real dog especially after owning the dodge with A 6.7 diesel,no comparison....
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the ford ecoboost v6 is an impressive tow vehicle. Has more hp and torque than a lot of the v8s. Its worth looking into.
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Don't look at the peak HP/torque alone but the powerband where the motor likes to run. Today's light duty diesels are meant to feel/act like you're driving a car no matter if you're towing or not. As far as gassers go the 6.0l GM is a good HD motor. Compared to my 1/2 ton 6.0 Sierra Denali my brothers 2500HD is the better towing vehicle with a 6.0 also. More low end torque under 2500 rpm where I have to wrap mine up to 3500rpm. Gearing is close as I have 3.73 v the HD 4.11
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We've towed our FC 27 over 30,000 miles (mostly in Western US) with our 2015 Silverado 1500 with the max trailer tow package and 8-speed. Rated payload for our crew cab is 1940 lbs per door sticker. We've been very pleased with this combination. The engine spends most of its time at less than 2000 rpm; rarely exceeds 3000. This engine develops more horsepower and more torque than the old 6.0 in the 2500. Plus the 2500 weighs about 1000 lbs more. Having test-driven all the 3/4 ton gassers, were I wanting over 2000 lbs payload, I'd go with either the Ford or Ram 6.4 gas engine, assuming I didn't want to spend the additional $7,000 or so for a diesel.
Only downside to our truck is 26-gallon fuel tank, which gives us an effective 250 mile range, with margin for safety. Once we rolled into Tonopah Nevada with 1/2 gallon of fuel remaining, even though we fueled up before we left civilization. Also, premium gas is specified, although we've used lower octane when we had to with out apparent problems.
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