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Old 03-05-2005, 08:02 PM   #15
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Oh and by the way, GM currently has incentives of $4000 cash back...add to the fact you can easily get another $5000 off list, anything you buy will be about $9k off list. I know this because when we bought our 2004, it was $5,000 off through GM incentives, plus we talked them down an additional $5,000 for a total of $10,000 off sticker for a new 2004 3/4 Suburban LT 4wd with all the bells and whistles.... now if you're not payin' cash, then they have very low APRs.

If used is what you want, use www.autotrader.com and also try www.cars.com lots of used Burbs out there, few 3/4 tons, but they are always around...also try the GMC version..might yield a few more out there.
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Old 03-05-2005, 08:14 PM   #16
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Old 03-05-2005, 08:21 PM   #17
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If the vehicle is equipped with the Chevy 6.0, go with the 4.10 if possible. The 6.0 is a high reving engine with a flat torque curve and from every post I have seen on the pickuptrucks.com forum prefers the 4.10 over the 3.73.
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Old 03-05-2005, 08:30 PM   #18
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Actually, me pops has the 6.0L with 3.73s in the Silverado and I have the 6.0L in the Burb with 4.10s. Though the 4.10s do increase the towing ability, if you come across a Burb w/ 3.73s, it still will be way more than ample to tow your 22' unit even through the rockies. If you plan a coach upgrade from 22' then by all means start to filter out the 3.73 and go straight to 4.10s. I have towed with both and at the weights you are talking about, you too will not notice any difference on flat to moderate grade.

The 4.10s will also lower the MPG slightly due to slightly higher RPMs. Keep that in mind while gas is over $2/gal and the 3/4 ton beasts have 37 gallon tanks.

Keeping this in perspective though, unless you're upgrading to a larger coach, then even the 1500 Suburban (1/2 ton) would be more than up to your needs. After that it's just a personal call/choice. It can be had with either 3.73s or 4.10 and trailer pkgs.
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Old 03-05-2005, 09:11 PM   #19
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Every RPO Code ever used...

If you find older Suburban and want to check codes, this web link will take to a Forum similar to ours, and a post listing every single RPO Code GM ever used... Using the label of computer printout codes in dash glove box of any Suburban, you can decode axles, tow pkgs, engines and paint, and everything else you'd like to know...

Link over to: http://forum.4adrive.com/t5629-s.html

For what it's worth, we pull 1989 Excella 25' trailer with Gross Wt around 6000# using a 10 year old SUburban 1500, with tow package and anemic pre-Vortec 5.8L 200hp V-8... Trailer probably grosses at close to same weight of CCD 22' wider trailer.. Though we have to slow a little and enjoy the view more pulling up over large mountains, it's fine downhill or on level ground, towing at 60 to 65mph, and has pulled trailer over Grpavevine in southern Calif, Siskayous in Northern Calif and Oregon, Rockies in Canada and US without problems...
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Old 03-06-2005, 02:04 AM   #20
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Lightbulb Choosing the A/S was easy compared to this

Thanks to all of you for your excellent and informative advice. Obviously, I AM losing sleep trying to decide.

I'm keeping my current car for day to day driving. It's paid for, it's a Lexus (all show, no tow) and gets decent mileage. The Suburban will be solely for towing.

I'm planning on using Tin Lizzie as a mobile office 4-5 times a year; so between business, family and pleasure I'll be on the road 12-15 times a year. I a free bird and I think I'll be very happy with the 22ft for a long, long time. Though, lots of my friends seem to be catching the bug and have indicated they'd love to take a trip with me! (I'll invite 'em along once, then intro them to this forum and let nature take it's course.) I'll hope to make a trip or two out west but for the most part I'll be well east of the rockies so it's not like I'll be running Donner Pass in January.
Family is in Ohio so Tin Lizzie and I can visit the factory easily!

Silver Twinkie, you're not the first person who has said a 1500 'burb will do the trick and I think you're right, plus there are more to choose from and prices are lower. That just leaves more money for WBCCI rallies, right? So you think the 3.73 axle would do it on the 1500? Finding the tow package seems to be the hard part. If you were buying a 1500 what would you look for as essential and what as "nice to have but could live without"? I've seen the extending mirrors for sale as an aftermarket thing - and I'm sure I could install them myself. Should I even consider buying something used without the tow package and having a dealer install the stuff post-purchase? Got any feel for cost of doing that?

I favor the hatchback over the barn door because it can keep you dry if you're hitching or unhitching in the rain. And of course I'd prefer a silver one to coordinate with the A/S - and because silver doesn't look dirty the day after you wash it.

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Hi Paula,

Interesting! A Ford driving a Chevy.

Twink is right, a 1500 will do just fine, even with the 3.73. Also consider the 1500HD for higher GVWR. These are similar in capabilities as the new Beefed-Up '04/'05 F-150's.

Have you ruled out the F-150 with the 5.4L? They're made in Norfolk and should have a good selection (new and used) to choose from in your area.
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Old 03-06-2005, 08:21 AM   #22
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Old 03-06-2005, 09:50 AM   #23
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I got my 2001. 2500 Suburban on ebay with 36,000 miles on the clock, the 8.1 litre engine, leather, tow package, etc.for $20,000.00 The options totaled $17,0000. I know because it came with the sticker. It is in like new condition and drives and tows my 31' sovereign like a dream. If you have to have new, go for it, but I like others to pay for the depreciation. There are good deals to be had out there, you just have to do your homework.
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Does anyone here tow with a GMC Yukon Denali or Yukon XL Denali? I really like the way they look, and I have been doing me research for the future, I am hoping to be able to buy a new(new to me) tow vehicle in a few months should luck go my way. I have gotten very used to driving around in Full-time 4wd (all-wheel drive) and the Denali has all-wheel drive (amongst many other refining touches) I know it's a 1500, but wanted to know what people think of it that have towed with one. --Chad--
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Talked to 53FlyingCloud today and he's found a charcoal gray 3/4 Suburban 2003 with everything I want except the hatch door. It does have the 3.73 rear end, but all y'all have convinced me that will be fine with the 6.0 engine. It's cloth upholstery but that's OK with me. Now all I have to do is negotiate the final price and get a plane ticket to NH.

Of course I just got a call from a local dealership - and they say they should be taking a red one in on Monday. Hmm... which would look better towing my A/S?

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If price is right on the 2003 then I'd jump on it... Tow Pkg is more critical than axle, because it includes HD cooling for transmission, and that is mission-critical...

We wished for tailgate/hatch window combo but had to accept side-hinged doors on ours.. (We bought during shortage caused by axle plant strike and had very few new ones to choose from). Turns out, side doors much easier to load stuff in when trailer hitched up, as you don't have to lift over tail gate, which probably won't open due to closeness of trailer jack.. This plan is nuisance when hitched and trailer not aligned with Suburban, but that has been manageable... And with 42 gallon gas tank in ours, even burning unleaded regular we leave Suburban parked unless some serious towing or skiing is needed... Ours will be 11 year old in June, and has 63,000 miles total... We also prefer fabric seats, which don't feature sliding around so much..

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General Motors engineerings position on axle ratios is that they do not have a significant effect on mileage, neighter does engine size.

Gm says that its vehicle speed and weight that make the difference.

I know that if I slow down or do not tow a heavy trailer I get better mileage.

We have the 4wd 2500 Suburban with 8.1/4.10, we were in the Tucson area in March and drove from Tucson to Tombstone. I put the cruise on 60 mph and stayed with it. Passed a few cars, we were on a two lane road and a few hills and got 17.3 mpg.

Unfortunately I tow at high speeds and cannot compare.
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