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Old 08-05-2015, 08:46 AM   #15
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Interesting research, but who tows at 70mph? For me, if the data were from 60-65 my ears would perk up. But my TV is already spoken for.

I did a similar comparison back in 2003 when looking for a tow vehicle. The one that won was a 99 F250 Super Duty diesel 4x4 xtra cab short bed. I found one, bought it, and will likely keep it until I croak.
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Old 08-05-2015, 02:00 PM   #16
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I'm considering moving up to a 3/4T truck primarily for payload and nothing in the 1/2T market is close to 2000 lbs unless you buy the F150 Supercab XLT or can find the rare Chevy 1500 with 6.2L and Max Tow. The 2015 F150 promises of more payload haven't materialized since Ford downgraded the GVWR of 2015 models. Most models on the lots seem to be SuperCrews with short beds 7000 GVWR and never see any with towing mirrors. I can't tow without them now that I've got used to my Tundra's tow mirrors. They are expensive to purchase after market. Then when you think you've found something and look at the sticker it only has the 23 gallon tank.

The Chevy 6.2L is very hard to find and if found have top tier trims with high prices.

There are plenty of Ram 1500s around but their payload is weak about the same as my Tundra.

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We have very rarely found any vehicle on a lot with the exact specs we want. So we plan ahead and order exactly the one we want with exactly the options that we want. Dealers tend to then look more actively for a trade, or go ahead and place the order.

Have you tried that option?
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Old 08-05-2015, 05:03 PM   #17
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What do you mean by "tow Capable" when you said the Dealer did not have a "tow Capable" Tundra?

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And another view on towing capacity

I hate be argumentative, but I guess I will. I think we may be looking at the wrong specs for towing rigs. My gasser is pretty much topped out with my trailer as far as power goes. HOWEVER, it is right in the middle for towing capacity. A 1/2 ton pickup (according to my calc's) regardless how much torque or hp it has is overloaded with a 7,000 lb trailer. See the post http://www.airforums.com/forums/f463...tml#post456088. And the post http://www.airforums.com/forums/f463...tml#post456088 has a couple of examples of towing problems. You may not agree with the sample size, but both rollovers were using 1/2 ton or equivalent vehicles. Just sayin....
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Old 08-05-2015, 05:53 PM   #19
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The cover of the Owner's Manual for my #7200 AS features a Ford Torino as the tow vehicle.
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The Bottom Line in Towing

I just picked up a 2013 Eddie Bauer 27 FB, latched on to its Equalizer hitch (after a couple of hours in the 100 deg sun disassembling, flipping, and reassembling the tow-side) and hauled it 200 miles down I-34W through Ft. Worth and its traffic/construction maddness. Before venturing out to do that I thoroughly researched tow-vehicles, not only from the manufacturer's data but by talking to a lot of locals who have pulled similar trailers (mainly horse/living combos). The data were not decisive, but the actual drivers/pullers were, and I am VERY HAPPY I listened to them.

I started with the assumption that, based on tow ratings, I could comfortably pull the AS trailer with a 1/2 ton, and more specifically a Tundra. Then, I talked to a couple of people who traded in their nearly new 1/2 tons with full trailer packages and bought a 3/4 ton with a diesel. The universal consensus was that the difference between the two was like night and day.

I purchased a Chevy Silverado 2500 (3/4 ton) 4x4 standard-bed with a Duramax diesel. The 200 mile drive was a breeze, AND I averaged 12 mpg with the cruise control set at 65. As a long-time deputy sheriff friend of mine who has pulled horses all over the country said, "The truck you need is one that has about twice the capacity as the trailer gross weight, is diesel, and 4 wheel drive.

For the record, I once had a boat/trailer combination that was about equal to the AS 27' EB, and the F-150 I had could pull it and it was within the manufacturer's towing capacity, but 100 miles would wear me out. After that I had an R-Pod pulled by a Toyota FJ Cruiser, again well within towing capacity, but not only did it exhaust to make long trips, but in the end a passing 18 wheeler left me in the ditch and the trailer in splinters.

After over 30 years of pulling bumper-hitch trailers, all I can say is that I really did not understand what I was experiencing and what I was missing. The 200 miles of narrow construction lanes, bumpy interstate, and twisting construction lanes was so easy and comfortable that I actually did forget that i was pulling four tons of trailer. I was just driving (albeit driving a 50' long rig). The Chevy 2500 Duramax is made for pulling, not just capable of pulling. I cannot comment on the Ford 250 other than to say that when I drove one (without a trailer) it just was less comfortable for me to drive than the Chevy. The engine brake, and location/set up of the trailer brake controls were also a plus on the chevy 2500.

Getting the larger, heavier vehicle with both the diesel and the 4WD was, in retrospect, one of the better decisions I have ever made.
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Gotta love that forced induction torque curve. Nice and flat.
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Flat is where it's at for towing.Lol


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One thing that puzzles me; With the 3.5L EcoBoost being so great, meaning better than the 6.2L, why doesn't Ford doesn't offer it in the F250 and F350 instead of the 6.2?

I've been wondering that since the introduction of the 3.5L EcoBoost. I asked the Dealer about it when I was considering an F250 and he didn't have an answer.
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My concern with the EcoBoost was that, having owned one turbocharged gasoline vehicle that I spent more time under than in, its longevity. I could see a properly designed turbocharged engine being a good idea for occasional high output demands, but I was concerned about its use in towing.

It would appear that it is surviving well, as there are several on here towing with them and I don't recall seeing any problem reports related to that issue. The nice flat torque curve is certainly an improvement over the 5.4 in my 2006 F150, now gone.

Maybe they felt that the work truck environment was too severe.
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One thing that puzzles me; With the 3.5L EcoBoost being so great, meaning better than the 6.2L, why doesn't Ford doesn't offer it in the F250 and F350 instead of the 6.2?

I've been wondering that since the introduction of the 3.5L EcoBoost. I asked the Dealer about it when I was considering an F250 and he didn't have an answer.

The are planning a Ecoboost for the new body aluminum Superduty Fords.


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The cover of the Owner's Manual for my #7200 AS features a Ford Torino as the tow vehicle.
Yep, it's funny how a big sedan or station wagon in the 70's with a big block with low peak hp by today's standards worked so well back then.

I tow my 25 ft with a 1977 460 powered truck It's hp numbers are said to be in the low 200's and tq 390 or so. It does a fine job.
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Yes I heard another Ecoboost is coming. But with 3.5l Eco specs being better than the 6.2l specs you'd think they'd simply put the superior 3.5L eco in the F250/F350. The only reasons I can come up with is that Ford doesn't think it's better. Or, they don't think the F250/F350 buyers will believe that its better.
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