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Old 07-18-2009, 10:30 AM   #15
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In the meantime look into ROHO seat cushions, and the OREGON AERO seat cushion.
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Old 07-19-2009, 11:21 AM   #16
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You know Gene you mention some things that I never even thought about when I posted. I also have a military injury from 25+ years ago that has progressed into 100% disability and doctors have been no real help but my Chiropractor has, I have to see him weekly get adjustments & therapy just to keep up with the conditions. I have had some doctors, specialists, etc that have said "give up get into a wheelchair or stay at home", and I refuse to give up. Even now I know that there are certain things that are going to cause me problems but I refuse to give up, even when something that I dont expect causes me additional pain I refuse to give up.
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I am going to continue living my life while I can, take my pain pills, see my chiro, take my therapy, dont give up, dont let it control your life, make the changes you need until you find the things that help as much as they can but stay with it.
My biggest help is my wife, she knows when I am in pain and when it increases and such and she is real good about taking as much pressure off me when needed, but she also keeps the encouragment to not give up too, and believe me she is not real shy about stopping me when she sees that I have went far enough and keep me from making my condition even worse too early.

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Old 07-19-2009, 12:50 PM   #17
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Sarge and I are remembering things that I suppose we take for granted after so many years living with back pain. Different people have different successes—for some it's a chiro, some a physical therapist, a doctor, exercise. Surgery is done far less than at one time, though professional athletes have it done because recovery is faster and there's lots of money to be made. But surgery can have dire consequences, so it's the last thing to do for most of us.

My wife has been wonderful and has often massaged the muscles that tighten around my blown out discs. She also tries to stop me when I decide I'm 20 years old and have a healthy back and should work more cutting up trees or whatever insane idea I have at the time. I don't always listen.

One of the problems people with back injuries have is that many others don't believe us. We look ok (to them—I can often spot someone with an injury by the way they stand and walk) and they think we are malingerers. Insurance companies refuse treatment, doctors treat us as if we are making it up. My father was a doctor and he'd tell me, even after I was injured, most back injuries were made up. I guess that was standard diagnosis for doctors trained in the 1930's and even later. That kind of lack of treatment and skepticism is hard on lots of people with real injuries and severe pain. Many do not receive treatment, or enough treatment.

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Old 07-19-2009, 03:17 PM   #18
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I'd add one more thing...if the ride is worse with the trailer, and it usually is, you might consider one of the Air Ride hitches to reduce the pitching and bumping in the tow vehicle when the trailer hits bumps.
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Old 07-20-2009, 05:03 PM   #19
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Sarge and I are remembering things that I suppose we take for granted after so many years living with back pain. Different people have different successes—for some it's a chiro, some a physical therapist, a doctor, exercise. Surgery is done far less than at one time, though professional athletes have it done because recovery is faster and there's lots of money to be made. But surgery can have dire consequences, so it's the last thing to do for most of us.

My wife has been wonderful and has often massaged the muscles that tighten around my blown out discs. She also tries to stop me when I decide I'm 20 years old and have a healthy back and should work more cutting up trees or whatever insane idea I have at the time. I don't always listen.

One of the problems people with back injuries have is that many others don't believe us. We look ok (to them—I can often spot someone with an injury by the way they stand and walk) and they think we are malingerers. Insurance companies refuse treatment, doctors treat us as if we are making it up. My father was a doctor and he'd tell me, even after I was injured, most back injuries were made up. I guess that was standard diagnosis for doctors trained in the 1930's and even later. That kind of lack of treatment and skepticism is hard on lots of people with real injuries and severe pain. Many do not receive treatment, or enough treatment.

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You hit it right on the head of the nail, did not realize how much alike you and I are. I wives do the exact same things too, they probly would get along great together then you and I would be in trouble LOL.

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Old 07-20-2009, 05:29 PM   #20
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Hello Pat

We have a lot of customers that tow with Cadilac DTS Sedans, we have been using these regularly since the late 1980's. Quite a few have switched to them from trucks to releive back problems. You can even get massaging seats. Right now they are a very good deal.

They ride very nicely both towing and solo yet they are extremely stable. Likely one of the best combinations of ride and handling out there. There is an optional performance package which is not absolutely necessary but if you get it performance will not be far off of your Avalanche fuel economy will be much better, almost as good towing as the Avalanche is solo.

I have used one myself quite a bit and you can drive it all day and step out feeling like you just went around the block. If you would like to persue that let me know and I can assist you with more detail.

This picture is a 97 Model with a 31 Classic.

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We have a lot of customers that tow with Cadilac DTS Sedans, we have been using these regularly since the late 1980's. Quite a few have switched to them from trucks to relieve back problems. You can even get massaging seats. Right now they are a very good deal.
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This picture is a 97 Model with a 31 Classic.

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Awesome!

While I've said I could never own a Caddy, I may yet live to eat those words.

I spent a lot of late nights testing s/w on the '96 version of the car in that pic, and have had a soft spot for them ever since.
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Sarge, I think Forums tend sometimes to show how different we are because they focus on one thing, and the more contentious threads certainly point out differences. But I have noticed that no matter what the politics of frequent posters (it's easy after a while to know that) we have much more in common. Most of us have the same issues with our trailers, travel similarly, or have common health or other issues. Backs are not political or ideological and it's nice to know others have the same problems.

Andrew, I never thought of a Cadillac for a TV for our '08 Safari. Of course, I need a pickup and my wife loves her 4Runner, so we'd have to have a 3rd vehicle. A Caddy would not be bad if it could tow a newer trailer through Colorado. It's too late now unless the stock market goes on a tear.

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Hello Pat

We have a lot of customers that tow with Cadilac DTS Sedans, we have been using these regularly since the late 1980's. Quite a few have switched to them from trucks to releive back problems. You can even get massaging seats. Right now they are a very good deal.

They ride very nicely both towing and solo yet they are extremely stable. Likely one of the best combinations of ride and handling out there. There is an optional performance package which is not absolutely necessary but if you get it performance will not be far off of your Avalanche fuel economy will be much better, almost as good towing as the Avalanche is solo.

I have used one myself quite a bit and you can drive it all day and step out feeling like you just went around the block. If you would like to persue that let me know and I can assist you with more detail.

This picture is a 97 Model with a 31 Classic.

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Andrew what you say about cars is for the most part true, something else to consider is those of us with serious back problems only make it worse when getting in and out the car because it sits so low to the ground. My wife has a Bonneville (last year they made them) and it sits the same height as the caddie and after getting in and out of it a couple of times I am done for and can hardly move, Now I am a little taller (6'7") than the average person so that adds to it because I have so far to go to get down into and out of the car.
Funny thing is though the same seats you can get for a car you can get for a truck/SUV.

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Sarge, I think Forums tend sometimes to show how different we are because they focus on one thing, and the more contentious threads certainly point out differences. But I have noticed that no matter what the politics of frequent posters (it's easy after a while to know that) we have much more in common. Most of us have the same issues with our trailers, travel similarly, or have common health or other issues. Backs are not political or ideological and it's nice to know others have the same problems.
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Andrew what you say about cars is for the most part true, something else to consider is those of us with serious back problems only make it worse when getting in and out the car because it sits so low to the ground.
Funny thing is though the same seats you can get for a car you can get for a truck/SUV.

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Yeh, I have trouble getting in and out of cars too. When I get the lust for a sports car, I have to remind myself how it would feel getting out of it after I poured myself in. I was temporarily semi-seduced by a luxury car aura. I don't know about the seats being the same, at least for Toyotas. The 2002 Sequoia seats were very plush feeling, the 2006 4Runner seats very firm—both are SUV's and both were the Limited series, but the seats are entirely different. This just means to check it out throughly.

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I can't give you advice about a vehicle, but maybe I am able to help with his back. I am not a doctor but I was involved with swimming for over 30 years. Over the years no matter what pool I worked for we always had many adults of all ages and sizes coming to swim. My personal feeling is nothing out there works as well as swimming. Swimming works all those muscles around the injured area in your back. They end up taking over for the bad vertebrate, muscles, and nerves. I have heard years of testimony of the benefits of doing laps in a pool. The last person I watched cured himself from swimming at the time of my getting out of the competetive sport. He was in his late 50's and he wrecked his Harley Davidson. He was really messed up. Shoulder, legs, back and neck. As soon as he could get in the water he did. It took him six months but the results were great. He said it was the swimming that helped him.

Have him try water aerobics first then work slowly into laps.

Ask your husband to give it a try.



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I can't give you advice about a vehicle, but maybe I am able to help with his back. I am not a doctor but I was involved with swimming for over 30 years. Over the years no matter what pool I worked for we always had many adults of all ages and sizes coming to swim. My personal feeling is nothing out there works as well as swimming. Swimming works all those muscles around the injured area in your back. They end up taking over for the bad vertebrate, muscles, and nerves. I have heard years of testimony of the benefits of doing laps in a pool. The last person I watched cured himself from swimming at the time of my getting out of the competetive sport. He was in his late 50's and he wrecked his Harley Davidson. He was really messed up. Shoulder, legs, back and neck. As soon as he could get in the water he did. It took him six months but the results were great. He said it was the swimming that helped him.

Have him try water aerobics first then work slowly into laps.

Ask your husband to give it a try.



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My wife is a doctor and loves swimming.... and encourages it....

We just bought an Endless pool. A used one... moves the water at you so you can swim in one place in the pool.. They come in different sizes. ours is 7x14 they go as big as 12x30...
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My personal feeling is nothing out there works as well as swimming. Swimming works all those muscles around the injured area in your back. They end up taking over for the bad vertebrate, muscles, and nerves. I have heard years of testimony of the benefits of doing laps in a pool.


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It is so true. I have had back pain issues all my life especially in the last ten years while involved with mountain bike racing. As a cross training sport I took up doing laps twice a week. The back pain is all but gone. It really is a great exercise.

Cadillac DTS (post #20) : I owned a Caddy Seville back in the 70's. It was comfortable but no way was it a drivers car. The 450SEL Mercedes that replaced it surely was and more my style. Anyway, my BIL and his wife each have a DTS and I had a chance to drive one of them. It was nice in every way. Impressive handling, comfort, performance. They have it all.
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