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Old 07-29-2004, 04:16 PM   #43
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I prefer a roll tack to a 'white-knuckled' jibe anyday!!!!!!!!!
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Old 07-29-2004, 04:20 PM   #44
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Could be! (I don't know sailing very well.) The gist of the argument is that some people think an airplane turning into the wind will be less inclined to stall than an airplane turning into a tailwind. Or is it the other way around?

Anyway, it's one of those endless debates that turns out to be unprovable no matter which position you endorse. Kind of like this one!
the wing will stall when it exceeds the critical angle of attack.





and really...a constant wind has no effect on the wing in flight; only on the ground. BUT...I could see how in a stiff wind, a pilot trying to turn around a fixed point on the ground might have a tendancy to overcompensate if turning into the wind, and then try and turn too sharply, thus causing the wing to exceed the critical angle of attack. but that's not the poor airplane's fault.
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Old 07-29-2004, 05:19 PM   #45
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Could be! (I don't know sailing very well.) The gist of the argument is that some people think an airplane turning into the wind will be less inclined to stall than an airplane turning into a tailwind. Or is it the other way around?

Anyway, it's one of those endless debates that turns out to be unprovable no matter which position you endorse. Kind of like this one!
Take it from an old flight instructor and glider pilot, the only thing that turning upwind or downwind changes is the pilot's perception of how fast he is moving over the ground. Within the airmass, it doesn't make a difference.
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Old 07-29-2004, 05:26 PM   #46
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Hey, I totally agree with you John! But you wouldn't believe the endless debates I've heard on the subject. People get really heated up about it, too! You'd think airplanes were falling out of the sky daily because of this perceived problem.

The other aviation one I've heard is about climbing "on the step" -- but I forgot how that one goes.
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Old 07-29-2004, 07:52 PM   #47
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That 155ft braking quote on the Suburban I can guarnatee was a half ton. The drum brakes on a Half ton weight about 18lb each. The Brake drum on my 3/4 ton weighs nearly 60lb. Another reason I went bigger. Also Suburbans are equiped with load sensing brakes. Now the WD hitch will actully effect how well this works because it's lifting the rear of the truck up. The smart person could manualy adjust that and improve the braking.

Also GM ANTI LOCK BRAKES ARE CRAP! At least onthe trucks. I will not drive a GM with them active. I have unplugged the ECM on several company vans. Now the ECM is shared with the main ECU and till I find a way to deactivate it I will not drive one. Yes their are lawsuits to back up what I am saying.

It's single channel and as a result if you unload one rear wheel to the point it senses lock up it will back off the braking on all the brakes. I'm sure the Honda is is multi chanel. Each wheel is individually controlled and can acheive maximum braking without being effected by the other three.
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I prefer a roll tack to a 'white-knuckled' jibe anyday!!!!!!!!!
Now, Ed & Debbie... EVERY good sailor knows that when you jibe, you pull the mainsheet in amidships as the stern crosses the wind, then you let it back out on the windward side... no slam jibes here! Yeah, right...

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Cool Small Combo 19' Bambi & 99 GMC Jimmy

We have a 2004 19 foot Bambi that we tow with a 99 GMC Jimmy 4 Wheel drive four door with the tow package including the electronic gear ratio adjustment for towing. We are sized at the high end of the manufacturer's towing capacity with the Bambi, so we opted for a Hensley Arrow hitch. This also gives us an extra 12" between the Jimmy and the Bambi for the Kayak. We are able to do just fine with this combination. We track smoothly down the highway with no sway problems from logging trucks or tandem tractor trailers.

When when we are towing we are on our own time and not in a hurry, so we keep our speed between 55 and 60. There is a lot to see along the way as well as at our destinations. We like the smaller trailer and tow vehicle because it is just the two of us. We tow up and down the Cascades in Washington and through the hilly Olympic Pennsula.

We have had to make a couple of emergency stops on commuter congested I-405 in suburban Seattle. The rig handled just fine stopping in a straight line.

Unfortunately, we can only get out on the road for twenty to twenty five days a year (a two week outing with the rest long weekends). Consequently, gas mileage for all the commuter trips is a factor in our choice for a tow vehicle. Also parking in the city is a factor. This small combo works fine for us.
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"EVERY good sailor knows that when you jibe, you pull the mainsheet in amidships as the stern crosses the wind, then you let it back out on the windward side... no slam jibes here! Yeah, right... "

That's when you are watching.... What 'bout those times when you are sailing 'by the lee' downwind. Those will get you in the noggin

Glad to know we have some sailors mixed in with the pilots!!

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I've towed my old Globetrotter with a Grand Marquis and done OK.

But even when I tried to reposition my 25' with the Marquis, it just sank to the bottom and groaned.

My Expy did reasonably well on flat land towing the 25', but the semi's did set me over on the road enough to make it uncomfortable (esp when you weren't keeping a real close eye.)

But the 2500 Burb with the same Reese WD hitch really is much more stable. It still has Passenger rated tires on it.

Also I am quite convinced that higher tire pressure and LT tires add significantly to the mix keeping the "white knuckles" at bay.

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"EVERY good sailor knows that when you jibe, you pull the mainsheet in amidships as the stern crosses the wind, then you let it back out on the windward side... no slam jibes here! Yeah, right... "

That's when you are watching.... What 'bout those times when you are sailing 'by the lee' downwind. Those will get you in the noggin

Glad to know we have some sailors mixed in with the pilots!!

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Old 07-30-2004, 10:16 AM   #53
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Thumbs up Vermont Eh! A little off topic but...

RLUHR:

Thanks for your input.

I noticed that your signature indicates Northern Vermont. We love Vermont and have spent the last 20 summer seasons renting cottages in North Hero and Alburg on the shore of Lake Champlain. Before that we camped pretty well all over Vermont. It's a great place!

I'm not sure how we get from Small Tow Vehicles to piloting and sailing, but the posts are great and shows evryone is having fun.

Happy camping to all!

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I've towed my old Globetrotter with a Grand Marquis and done OK.

But even when I tried to reposition my 25' with the Marquis, it just sank to the bottom and groaned.

My Expy did reasonably well on flat land towing the 25', but the semi's did set me over on the road enough to make it uncomfortable (esp when you weren't keeping a real close eye.)

But the 2500 Burb with the same Reese WD hitch really is much more stable. It still has Passenger rated tires on it.

Also I am quite convinced that higher tire pressure and LT tires add significantly to the mix keeping the "white knuckles" at bay.

Steve
Ok, I made a cameo back here...Steve's comments mirror mine with the Impala SS except mine didn't groan. It does tow it, but you must be always on top of things...or things could happen. That is one of the main reasons I am looking into a 3/4 ton truck, be it a Suburban or a pickup. Funny how some folks get it while others, well, they simply don't. Good for you Steve.
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"EVERY good sailor knows that when you jibe, you pull the mainsheet in amidships as the stern crosses the wind, then you let it back out on the windward side... no slam jibes here! Yeah, right... "

That's when you are watching.... What 'bout those times when you are sailing 'by the lee' downwind. Those will get you in the noggin

Glad to know we have some sailors mixed in with the pilots!!

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There is another side to the big truck versus smaller tow vehicle debate. After one gets to one's destination, exploration of the area may be at the top of one's agenda. With this in mind, a Mitsubishi Montero (winner of the last four Paris-Dakar rallies) may be imminently more fun cruisin' the mountain roads than an F350 dually or even an Excursion. This is one of the reasons I am leaning towards the Bambi 19 CCD ... ability to pull with an exploration machine!

Referencing the many posts from aviators and sailors and being a former company pilot and San Juan 21 racer ... how appropriate that all are drawn to the aerodynamic lines of the Airstream.
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