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Old 06-28-2014, 09:58 PM   #581
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Will do. For reference the 2014 Cherokee (not the grand) is a just a little smaller and lighter then my 2005 Highlander was. It is suppose to compete with the Toyota RAV4, Ford Escape, and Chevy Equinox. Only the Equinox can be outfitted with a V6 and it's tow rating is 3500 lbs. In the end I wanted the extra 1000lbs overhead.
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Old 07-09-2014, 11:07 AM   #582
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Not sure just where the L-brackets should be for this set up ...
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Old 07-09-2014, 11:08 AM   #583
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Coming up on 600 posts in this thread ...
..........thought that we needed a bit of humor ...
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Old 07-09-2014, 10:35 PM   #584
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Hi, I thought that you were serious.
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Old 11-01-2014, 05:55 PM   #585
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I'll just put this here.

2005 TSX, I4 NA 2.4L, 200HP, 166lbs/ft FWD
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Old 11-02-2014, 07:17 PM   #586
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Old 11-05-2014, 09:41 AM   #587
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First off, revisiting this thread I see I never followed up...

...the problem was a "crank sensor".

I assume its a device on the crankshaft that is needed for ignition timing info.

Anyway, fixed under warranty and fine since.

Composing a thread right now about another issue - to follow shortly.
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Old 11-05-2014, 09:58 AM   #588
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We recently had a chance to weigh our setup for the first time, for free at our local recycling place.

In the Flex (some rough guesses):

3/4 fuel
Me & Karen
90 lbs of dogs (2)
45 lbs of tools
Emergency supplies bag - 20 lbs
Clothing 50 lb
Firewood 30 lbs
Misc computer bags, purse, etc. 20 lbs.
Rubber mats - 30 lbs
EAZLift hitch 75 lbs

In the trailer (2014 CampLite 21BHS w/"XL Living Package"):

All our usual camping gear, food supplies
1/2 fresh water tank
No grey or black water
Propane about 3/4
No bikes

We first drove the entire rig onto the scales, and as described the scale read 10,000 lbs. (apparently measures in 20 lb increments)
Unhooked the trailer, and with the hitch the Flex and contents weighed 5,520 lbs.

So that means "Campy" weighed in at 4,480 lbs.

That's good news, in that the maximum tow weight for the Flex is listed at 4,500 lbs (Whew! Cutting it close!)

But now a dilemma.

I later acquired a digital scale to measure tongue weight. The Flex is rated for 450 lbs and the CampLite 21BHS is advertised as having a 440 lb tongue weight, albeit with an asterisk about it being dependent on equipment.

The setup:



With the hitch in place and the trunnion bars in the pass-through…



Yikes!

I then weighed it without the hitch, and came up with 586 lbs. - trunnions still in the pass-through.

I then completely emptied the pass-through storage and got it down to 516 lbs.

Still well in excess of the Flex's 450 lb. limit.

I looked in the under-bed storage, and though Karen has it stuffed with bedding and the like, there's nothing heavy there. Ditto the kitchen supplies.

We can always carry some or all of the pass-through stuff in the Flex, but that sort of defeats the purpose. Similarly, we can put camping chairs and the like on or under the lower bunk, shifting some weight to behind the axle. And we can only carry one propane tank, which would help a lot right there.

Still, I'm a little perturbed. Not to say the 440 lb. tongue weight that CampLite advertises is dishonest, but it certainly is misleading.

I think they should really publish a more representative number so people like myself can make a more informed decision when shopping for a tow vehicle.

I suspect we'll be fine, with several thousand miles behind us in all sorts of terrain, but being a fairly conservative by-the-book guy it bugs me to exceed published limits at all.

I don’t know if Andy from CanAm is monitoring this thread, but I’d like to ask him…

1) If I need to worry, and,

2) If so, if there's a way to beef up my Class III hitch or the rear of the Flex to carry the extra weight.

Open to any comments or suggestion - including if we simply need a different tow vehicle.
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Old 11-05-2014, 07:39 PM   #589
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GMC and Chevy Colorado are out with new trucks. They haven't been raod tested yet but the rating is 7000 on paper. Time will tell how accurate that number is.
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Old 11-05-2014, 08:09 PM   #590
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GMC and Chevy Colorado are out with new trucks. They haven't been raod tested yet but the rating is 7000 on paper. Time will tell how accurate that number is.

Yeah, and they come with technology and stuff
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Old 11-06-2014, 05:01 AM   #592
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If you don't mind my asking, do you know your actual tongue weight and the maximum listed for your vehicle?

I'm just trying to get a handle on the limits others are facing in this department.
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Old 11-06-2014, 05:35 AM   #593
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And soon the smaller Duramax Diesel. Interested in the MPGs, although a similar model has been available in Europe, it is hard to extrapolate the mileage from their ratings. It will probably be a year from now before we get EPA numbers on it, although it has been spied high altitude testing in the Rockies.
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Old 11-06-2014, 08:32 AM   #594
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at this time I have had my Trailblazer 6 cyl for 6 months or so. I really want to go back to a V8. The mileagewhile towing is about the same. but the power is lacking. On hills and steep grades, fuggedaboutit. The only benefit is when I am not towing and that is no big deal...
Thinking used Expedition. So much for the small tow vehicle and me...LOL
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Old 11-06-2014, 09:08 AM   #595
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Considered small by most. Our Audi Q5 3.0T pulls our '15 28' FC with ease. The engine/transmission combination is ridiculous in this car. Severely underrated from Audi. 105km/h on flats and the car is at 1700rpm....with the trailer. I've NEVER needed to be above 4000rpm on ANY grade of hill. The torque delivery of the supercharged V6 is long and fat. 4 piston Brembos with large vented rotors are stock. Hitch reinforced and tow setup by CanAM. P3 brake controller. The only change to the car I've made from stock is upsizing the wheels to 20x9's with a higher load rated tire. Some of this was for looks but I also wanted more capacity on the tire to feel comfortable.

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Old 11-06-2014, 09:15 AM   #596
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at this time I have had my Trailblazer 6 cyl for 6 months or so. I really want to go back to a V8. The mileagewhile towing is about the same. but the power is lacking. On hills and steep grades, fuggedaboutit. The only benefit is when I am not towing and that is no big deal...
Thinking used Expedition. So much for the small tow vehicle and me...LOL

Hi Alan, if you are thinking used, any one of the SUVs with a diesel has more than enough power and economy to do the job while rewarding you with a smile. This is my son's setup and he is one frugal dude. 2008 Jeep GC Diesel, 20' 67 GT. Jim
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Old 11-06-2014, 09:22 AM   #597
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at this time I have had my Trailblazer 6 cyl for 6 months or so. I really want to go back to a V8. The mileagewhile towing is about the same. but the power is lacking. On hills and steep grades, fuggedaboutit. The only benefit is when I am not towing and that is no big deal...
Thinking used Expedition. So much for the small tow vehicle and me...LOL
Thanks for sharing your experience. My observation has been that the so called "small tow vehicles", as cool as they seem, usually are not a viable long term solution unless you are towing a small/vintage trailer.
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Old 11-06-2014, 09:42 AM   #598
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Small is fine as long as it is heavy duty! :-D



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I really wish those Euro Airstreams were available here in North America. If I am not mistake your's is an International 684, a 27 footer, with 4400# dry weight (Tongue weight: 240# to 330#). IMO, the interiors are also much nicer in Euro Airstreams.
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My Overlander is only about 4000lbs, and the Trailblazer tows it ok, but I am coming from a V10 Excursion which I now regret selling. I am on a pretty tight budget, so I am looking at 2003-07 Expeditions. everything else is way to much $$
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