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Old 04-21-2014, 06:05 AM   #575
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As a bit of a downer, our new (to us) 2011 Flex w/EcoBoost decided yesterday to just crank and crank and give no hint of starting.

It used to be fairly straightforward to verify an engine was getting both gas and spark in about the right proportions, but these new electronic marvels are not quite so simple.

Good news is we had nowhere to go in it yesterday, we bought Good Sam road assistance, we're still under warranty, and the Ford dealer's about 6 miles away.

Still, a bit disappointing. Could be a real pain if it recurred on the road.
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Old 04-21-2014, 06:32 AM   #576
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Hope they get it fixed quickly and is nothing major. Let us know how this comes out. The Flex is a good car. Jim
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Old 04-21-2014, 07:25 AM   #577
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Fast Eddie. Sounds like and hopefully the bug is solid and not intermittent. It is the intermittent ones that will drive you and the mechanics crazy.
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Old 06-27-2014, 09:21 AM   #578
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Here is a picture of my setup. A Land Rover (100 inch wheelbase) pulling a 23ft Flying Cloud.
18 inch wheels and Yokahoma high performance tires provide a stable tow without sway.
Coil spring suspension provide a solid ride. Vehicle is a little stiff and uncomfortable without a load.
This is very heartening! We have a 2002 Discovery II and we've been back and forth on how big an Airstream it can handle. Have you done any towing in hilly areas? We have many big hills and am concerned about getting up the hills.

A Discovery is small compared to a Suburban!
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Old 06-27-2014, 10:38 PM   #579
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The Cherokee is great, I've got about 1600 miles on it and it is one smooth ride. I kept trying to get a silver one but they were flying off the lot. I was lucky to get this one equipped the way I wanted. This weekend will be the first real trip with it towing the Airstream. I'll report back on how it performed.

So I promised I would post an update about how the new 2014 Jeep Cherokee is as a tow vehicle. In a word, fantastic! I have about 8,000 mile on the vehicle now. I've done 2 weekend long camping trips and I'm currently in the middle of a 3,000 mile road trip with my 65 Airstream Caravel. I have been through mountains and deserts and the Cherokee has been great and is averaging about 17 mpg while towing the 3,000 lbs trailer. The vehicle is very strong towing and only on the steepest climbs does it drop down around 45-50 mph.

My Cherokee is a Latitude with V6, Comfort and Convenience Group (incl. back up camera), Tow Group, Active Drive I 4x4 (primarily biased to FWD). I feel that this package is the best combination for towing at around $30,000. The Limited's are nice but climb in price quickly and the Sport can not be equipped with the V6. The Trailhawk is really set up for off roading and as such on road comfort suffers.

I do not use a weight distributing hitch or additional sway control. If you use a brake controller through the built in accessory port under the dash, the vehicle's Electronic Stability Control will engage if it detects trailer sway, really cool! My current trip has had me on the open highway and I've been getting 17mpg while traveling at 60-65 mph.

I would really recommend this vehicle to anyone who needed a tow vehicle with up to 4500lbs of tow capacity and an excellent daily driver.
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So I promised I would post an update about how the new 2014 Jeep Cherokee is as a tow vehicle. In a word, fantastic! I have about 8,000 mile on the vehicle now. I've done 2 weekend long camping trips and I'm currently in the middle of a 3,000 mile road trip with my 65 Airstream Caravel. I have been through mountains and deserts and the Cherokee has been great and is averaging about 17 mpg while towing the 3,000 lbs trailer. The vehicle is very strong towing and only on the steepest climbs does it drop down around 45-50 mph.

My Cherokee is a Latitude with V6, Comfort and Convenience Group (incl. back up camera), Tow Group, Active Drive I 4x4 (primarily biased to FWD). I feel that this package is the best combination for towing at around $30,000. The Limited's are nice but climb in price quickly and the Sport can not be equipped with the V6. The Trailhawk is really set up for off roading and as such on road comfort suffers.

I do not use a weight distributing hitch or additional sway control. If you use a brake controller through the built in accessory port under the dash, the vehicle's Electronic Stability Control will engage if it detects trailer sway, really cool! My current trip has had me on the open highway and I've been getting 17mpg while traveling at 60-65 mph.

I would really recommend this vehicle to anyone who needed a tow vehicle with up to 4500lbs of tow capacity and an excellent daily driver.
That's good news. Thanks for keeping us up to date. I think your rig certainly falls into the small tow vehicle category - not the smallest, but not the largest by a long stretch. Please give us another update in the future.
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Will do. For reference the 2014 Cherokee (not the grand) is a just a little smaller and lighter then my 2005 Highlander was. It is suppose to compete with the Toyota RAV4, Ford Escape, and Chevy Equinox. Only the Equinox can be outfitted with a V6 and it's tow rating is 3500 lbs. In the end I wanted the extra 1000lbs overhead.
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Not sure just where the L-brackets should be for this set up ...
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2005 TSX, I4 NA 2.4L, 200HP, 166lbs/ft FWD
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Old 11-05-2014, 10:41 AM   #587
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First off, revisiting this thread I see I never followed up...

...the problem was a "crank sensor".

I assume its a device on the crankshaft that is needed for ignition timing info.

Anyway, fixed under warranty and fine since.

Composing a thread right now about another issue - to follow shortly.
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We recently had a chance to weigh our setup for the first time, for free at our local recycling place.

In the Flex (some rough guesses):

3/4 fuel
Me & Karen
90 lbs of dogs (2)
45 lbs of tools
Emergency supplies bag - 20 lbs
Clothing 50 lb
Firewood 30 lbs
Misc computer bags, purse, etc. 20 lbs.
Rubber mats - 30 lbs
EAZLift hitch 75 lbs

In the trailer (2014 CampLite 21BHS w/"XL Living Package"):

All our usual camping gear, food supplies
1/2 fresh water tank
No grey or black water
Propane about 3/4
No bikes

We first drove the entire rig onto the scales, and as described the scale read 10,000 lbs. (apparently measures in 20 lb increments)
Unhooked the trailer, and with the hitch the Flex and contents weighed 5,520 lbs.

So that means "Campy" weighed in at 4,480 lbs.

That's good news, in that the maximum tow weight for the Flex is listed at 4,500 lbs (Whew! Cutting it close!)

But now a dilemma.

I later acquired a digital scale to measure tongue weight. The Flex is rated for 450 lbs and the CampLite 21BHS is advertised as having a 440 lb tongue weight, albeit with an asterisk about it being dependent on equipment.

The setup:



With the hitch in place and the trunnion bars in the pass-through…



Yikes!

I then weighed it without the hitch, and came up with 586 lbs. - trunnions still in the pass-through.

I then completely emptied the pass-through storage and got it down to 516 lbs.

Still well in excess of the Flex's 450 lb. limit.

I looked in the under-bed storage, and though Karen has it stuffed with bedding and the like, there's nothing heavy there. Ditto the kitchen supplies.

We can always carry some or all of the pass-through stuff in the Flex, but that sort of defeats the purpose. Similarly, we can put camping chairs and the like on or under the lower bunk, shifting some weight to behind the axle. And we can only carry one propane tank, which would help a lot right there.

Still, I'm a little perturbed. Not to say the 440 lb. tongue weight that CampLite advertises is dishonest, but it certainly is misleading.

I think they should really publish a more representative number so people like myself can make a more informed decision when shopping for a tow vehicle.

I suspect we'll be fine, with several thousand miles behind us in all sorts of terrain, but being a fairly conservative by-the-book guy it bugs me to exceed published limits at all.

I don’t know if Andy from CanAm is monitoring this thread, but I’d like to ask him…

1) If I need to worry, and,

2) If so, if there's a way to beef up my Class III hitch or the rear of the Flex to carry the extra weight.

Open to any comments or suggestion - including if we simply need a different tow vehicle.
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