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Old 02-19-2014, 09:06 AM   #421
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And not trying to divert attention away from Alan's current questions, but what have you all with Mark and his Chysler 300C ? He has not been back since Feb 5th. Has he hit the road with the A/S in tow behind the 300, and having so much fun that he can't even stop long enough to check in ..... ? ?
Thanks! See my "saga continues" thread. We had a busy time with other things and didn't get to the road test until last Friday.

I WISH we were off camping! But no, not yet. <sigh>

Hopefully soon. We want to go back to Death Valley, but only if the TV proves it can handle it.
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Old 02-19-2014, 09:22 AM   #422
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Obviously Alan has secured a tow vehicle that he is happy with but in line with this thread...My other tow vehicle is a '94 Buick Roadmaster Wagon, LT1 Corvette engine, 4L60, factory towing package, 2.93 Limited Slip, (this gear allows towing in 3rd gear). This vehicle has gotten a best of 24.7 MPG on regular unleaded while not towing. Pretty good MPG for a 4,480 lb car. This car is an OBD1 car, the '95 and '96's were OBDII and I've heard they get 26-27 MPG. They are great and very well built cars. Mine is used 99.9% for towing as I usually pull it and the Airstream in the garage when returning from a trip and they stay.
I still see these cars pop up for sale with really low mileage on them. They are well built cars, have a boxed frame and my '94 stickered for over 30K when new...the most expensive car Buick made in '94...point is, Buick made them well. Another car that is inexpensive to insure due to it's age.

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I've had a couple of PM's regarding this...I think I previously stated at some point that the Roadmaster tow capacity was 5,000 lbs...it is actually 7,000 lbs. See below:

The Roadmaster was only delivered with the 5.7 l LT1, however, and such cars can be detected visually by a factory-installed stainless steel dual exhaust. The interior of the LT1 cars is distinguished by utilizing analog gauges rather than digital. However, unlike its stablemates, the 9C1 Caprice and Impala SS the Roadmaster was limited to 108 mph (174 km/h) due to the factory-fitted tires not being rated to run the 140 mph (230 km/h) plus the 9C1 and SS were capable of. The engine returns 17 mpg-US (14 L/100 km; 20 mpg-imp) city/25 mpg-US highway for a 4,200 lb (1,900 kg) full-sized car (4500 lb for the wagon), up 1 mpg-US city from the previous version.
The transmission from 199496 was changed from the 'analog' 700R4/4L60 to the electronically controlled version of the same, the 4L60E.
Ordered with the towing package, the 94-96 Roadmaster was advertised to tow up to 5000 pounds, although the Estate Wagon owner's manual extended that to 7,000 lbs when using a weight distributing hitch, dual sway controls, increasing the rear tire pressure to 35 psi and disabling the Electronic Level Control.[7] The tow package added 2.93 gears and a limited slip differential, heavy duty cooling system including oil and transmission coolers, and a factory installed self leveling rear suspension consisting of air shocks, a height sensor between the rear axle and body and an on-board air compressor. The most distinctive feature was the combination of one conventional fan driven mechanically from the engine alongside of one electric fan, offset to the left (non-towpack cars came with two electric fans).
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Old 02-19-2014, 11:30 AM   #423
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I would love to own one of these old wagons. Not as a daily driver, but as a holiday tow vehicle. I love the look of these.
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Old 02-20-2014, 10:02 PM   #424
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Here's another minivan. "Small" is a relative term. When comparing a minvan to a 1 ton diesel dually, the minivan is small. I had a 2005 Chevy Astro minivan (factory rated to tow 5400#), but decided to go to something newer and more fuel efficient. After discovering the success Can-Am RV has been having with Dodge Grand Caravans and Chrysler Town & Country minvans, I decided to get one as well.

Last week I picked up my very luxurious 2012 Chrysler Town & Country Touring-L, factory rated to tow 3500# but it has the "Can-AM Special" reinforced hitch, sway control and weight distribution along with a factory transmission cooler. Today I picked up my 1990 Airstream Excella 25 (5100# dry). The drive home was almost 3 hours and included some small to moderate hills. Once I got the hang of manually shifting to 4th gear, it pulled up the hills nicely. It's a 6 speed automatic, but Can-AM suggested I tow in 5th gear. So far so good - hope it holds up just as well on steeper mountain hills like in the Rockies which I will be going through soon.

I like that I get a nice luxury interior with an understated exterior for a reasonable price. Fuel economy is much better than in my former Chevy Astro (which had a bigger engine and was less aerodynamic). Andy at Can-Am had also suggested two sedans as good possible choices - a Chrysler 300 and an automatic Passat TDI, which is extremely fuel efficient with its small but torquey turbo diesel engine. Classed as a mid-size car, I think most people would consider it a small car when looked upon as a tow vehicle. Although it has the same engine as the Jetta TDI, the Passat has a better, wider and longer stance. In the end, I decided I just could not live without a van, so the Town & Country won out. Some people don't consider today's minivans small, but to someone driving a 1 ton diesel dually pickup it is!
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Old 02-21-2014, 06:05 AM   #425
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Here's another minivan. "Small" is a relative term. When comparing a minvan to a 1 ton diesel dually, the minivan is small. I had a 2005 Chevy Astro minivan (factory rated to tow 5400#), but decided to go to something newer and more fuel efficient. After discovering the success Can-Am RV has been having with Dodge Grand Caravans and Chrysler Town & Country minvans, I decided to get one as well.

Last week I picked up my very luxurious 2012 Chrysler Town & Country Touring-L, factory rated to tow 3500# but it has the "Can-AM Special" reinforced hitch, sway control and weight distribution along with a factory transmission cooler. Today I picked up my 1990 Airstream Excella 25 (5100# dry). The drive home was almost 3 hours and included some small to moderate hills. Once I got the hang of manually shifting to 4th gear, it pulled up the hills nicely. It's a 6 speed automatic, but Can-AM suggested I tow in 5th gear. So far so good - hope it holds up just as well on steeper mountain hills like in the Rockies which I will be going through soon.

I like that I get a nice luxury interior with an understated exterior for a reasonable price. Fuel economy is much better than in my former Chevy Astro (which had a bigger engine and was less aerodynamic). Andy at Can-Am had also suggested two sedans as good possible choices - a Chrysler 300 and an automatic Passat TDI, which is extremely fuel efficient with its small but torquey turbo diesel engine. Classed as a mid-size car, I think most people would consider it a small car when looked upon as a tow vehicle. Although it has the same engine as the Jetta TDI, the Passat has a better, wider and longer stance. In the end, I decided I just could not live without a van, so the Town & Country won out. Some people don't consider today's minivans small, but to someone driving a 1 ton diesel dually pickup it is!
Good looking (and nice) combo! I like how it matches your Airstream! I recently bought an Apache popup that I'm going to redo and I can't decide what color to paint it as I'll be towing it with a number of different vehicles.

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Old 02-21-2014, 07:30 AM   #426
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Here's another minivan. "Small" is a relative term. When comparing a minvan to a 1 ton diesel dually, the minivan is small. I had a 2005 Chevy Astro minivan (factory rated to tow 5400#), but decided to go to something newer and more fuel efficient. After discovering the success Can-Am RV has been having with Dodge Grand Caravans and Chrysler Town & Country minvans, I decided to get one as well.

Last week I picked up my very luxurious 2012 Chrysler Town & Country Touring-L, factory rated to tow 3500# but it has the "Can-AM Special" reinforced hitch, sway control and weight distribution along with a factory transmission cooler. Today I picked up my 1990 Airstream Excella 25 (5100# dry). The drive home was almost 3 hours and included some small to moderate hills. Once I got the hang of manually shifting to 4th gear, it pulled up the hills nicely. It's a 6 speed automatic, but Can-AM suggested I tow in 5th gear. So far so good - hope it holds up just as well on steeper mountain hills like in the Rockies which I will be going through soon.

be interesting to see MPG towing vs non towing and how it handles the long 7% pulls you get out west.. I checked door sticker on one and they have a 9K GVWA?. i have a e-250 van that only shows 8600 GVWA on the door for that. so it seem a mini van is bigger than my e-250.

Wish they would not call them "mini vans".. my wife hates that name.. wonder if we could call them "High Performance Multi Occupant Vehicle. or HPMOV... " I like it...



or HPMOTV... High Performance Multi Occupant Tow Vehicle,

who knows... good deal and thanks for sharing..
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I saw an excursion today.
First time I have seen one in a month.
I was kinda sorta surprised, like ,"Wow! There's an Excursion! And it's clean, too! All Armor-All'ed down and everything!"
How many thousands of Suburbans have I seen in the same month?

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Nice looking setup you have their. I have the 300 I am trying to get ready. I'll be interested to know how you do after a few tows. Be sure to stop back and report if you can. I also followed Andy's advice, but I am 3000 miles away and didn't have an "Andy" to do the work!
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be interesting to see MPG towing vs non towing and how it handles the long 7% pulls you get out west.. I checked door sticker on one and they have a 9K GVWA?. i have a e-250 van that only shows 8600 GVWA on the door for that. so it seem a mini van is bigger than my e-250.
My Ody has a Gross Weight of 5707lbs, I think the GC is pretty close to that. 9k strikes me as high.
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I haven't had the van long enough to have any real numbers on fuel economy, both when towing and when not towing. So far I've only gone through one and a half tanks of gas. But I can say that when not towing, it's very fuel efficient - much better than I expected, and even when towing, it appears to get better fuel economy than my former 2005 Chevy Astro did driving solo. If this keeps up, I'll be really impressed!

A 3/4 ton diesel pickup would certainly be more robust, powerful and torquey. That would certainly help in driving through the Rockies, and no doubt in all other towing. But my Town & Country minivan should pull through - albeit struggling a bit more but it will get there. At Can Am, they took a previous generation Town & Country to Colorado, with 4 passengers and their cargo, towing a 28 foot Airstream and they made it there and back just fine. So I'm sure with just me and the dog and my 25 foot Airstream Excella, I'll be fine too. They said I could even tow a larger trailer. I don't know. Maybe. Maybe once I get some more towing experience. If it weren't for Can Am's experience and good reputation, I probably would have bought a 3/4 ton diesel pickup or a Suburban, or more than likely a full size Ford or Chevy diesel cargo van or 15 passenger van. Way more vehicle than I need or want to drive daily.

This Town & Country minivan is my one and only vehicle. I wanted one vehicle that could serve as a tow vehicle, be a daily driver when not towing (and not be too large and cumbersome, especially when parking in some of those newer parking lots made for compact cars), with the space and versatility I've gotten accustomed to with previous minivans AND that returns decent fuel economy - both when towing and when not towing. This van seems to fit the bill. And yes, now that "minivans" have grown in size from what they used to be in the 1980s, the name "minivan" seems wrong. But they're still smaller than full size vans. Not that a Mazda5 could tow my Airstream (but maybe a smaller Bambi), the Mazda5, with sliding rear side doors is the one of the few vehicles small enough that can claim to be a "minivan". Although some people call it a "microvan."

When I was getting my 2012 Chrysler Town & Country, I had decided to narrow it down to the T&C or a Dodge Grand Caravan (which I could have bought new for less, but the base model without all the goodies). As such, I could pick any color. I chose silver so it would match the Airstream and it's a good generic color so I can just blend in with the crowd (when not towing the Airstream). And light enough so it won't get hot in the hot summer sun if I believe that theory.

I plan on heading out west in March if possible, and if not in March then April. I was supposed to be leaving about this time but several things have come up that have delayed the departure date. But once I get out west, I'll be sure to report back on how the trip went.
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Have you driven it in any snow, yet? How's it do?

(I was thinking 'minivan' for our next tv; it'll be the wife's daily driver, though, and she's now saying "I want AWD". ).
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Have you driven it in any snow, yet? How's it do?

(I was thinking 'minivan' for our next tv; it'll be the wife's daily driver, though, and she's now saying "I want AWD". ).
Not a GC, but I am constantly surprised how well our 2WD Odyssey does in winter. Put a good set of snow tires on and it goes anywhere. If your wife insists on AWD, there's always the Toyota Sienna.
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