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Old 01-01-2014, 02:01 PM   #29
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There a lot of reasons why "Size is in the eye of the beholder" is a good thing.

In this case I don't agree with your assessment. I towed a Bigfoot trailer of similar size and weight for a few years with a '99 Grand Cherokee with a V-8. I never considered it a "small" tow vehicle. The main reason we swapped up to a pickup was primarily to increase the range between fuel fill ups. There were some roads in Montana and Wyoming that I had to depend on one service station to be open, and if it wasn't, I had to wait until it was.

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Old 01-01-2014, 04:00 PM   #30
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Sorta small

Okay, my TV is not exactly small in size, as it has a 118" wheelbase, but it has a small engine, with a 2.7L 5 cyl turbo diesel. About 170hp with about 250 ft.lb. of torque w/ 5 speed auto trans. The economy is impressive for the size, as I get about 22-23mpg when not towing, 16-17 with the A/S attached. Cruise at 65 while towing with no problem, and hills will result in a shift down a gear or two, but speed can be maintained. Unfortunately, this size and engine are no longer available. However, the new Mercedes Sprinter is available with a 4 cyl diesel. So, you don't need a massive engine, and the trend towards smaller diesels is encouraging, with many marques introducing them. Chevy Cruze, Volvo, VW, Mercedes, Jeep, Audi, Mazda, BMW and 1/2 ton Ram trucks are all offering diesels this year, with more to come. Small diesels offer economy and low rpm pulling power that is just being discovered by car buyers.
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Old 01-01-2014, 04:24 PM   #31
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Large: 2007 Suburban. 223" long, 77" high, 5600 lbs curb weight.
Small: 2012 Chry. 300. 198" long, 58" high, 4000 lbs curb weight.

I don't think that is all that controversial, is it? The 'Burb fits in my garage with exactly 1" to spare. We have to open the garage door to get to the washing machine. The Chrysler fits with 24" to spare, and we don't have to open the garage door. I need a stool to check the oil or wash the windows on the 'Burb, but no stool on the 300.

Big and small are not that hard to grasp.
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Old 01-01-2014, 04:46 PM   #32
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Large: 2007 Suburban. 223" long, 77" high, 5600 lbs curb weight.
Small: 2012 Chry. 300. 198" long, 58" high, 4000 lbs curb weight.

I don't think that is all that controversial, is it? The 'Burb fits in my garage with exactly 1" to spare. We have to open the garage door to get to the washing machine. The Chrysler fits with 24" to spare, and we don't have to open the garage door. I need a stool to check the oil or wash the windows on the 'Burb, but no stool on the 300.

Big and small are not that hard to grasp.

I agree that we must resolve this.
Below is the clarification:
The yellow one is big. The red one is small. Everything in between is some degree of medium.

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P.S. If you pull into the driveway next to the small one, don't run over Daisy.

P.P.S. I'm sure you have heard of CanAm. The hitch setup on the red one was done by a place I discovered south of the border called "MexAm"
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Old 01-01-2014, 05:13 PM   #33
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I have heard all about the VW Diesel tow vehicles, and other smaller ones.

How about showing your set up with one of these smaller rides?


I am looking into replacing my V10 Excursion with something drastically smaller. My Overlander is about 4500 lbs.

If I could do it with a VW diesel I would be very pleased. Its the non-towing daily around town driving of the EXC that is killing us.
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Old 01-01-2014, 05:16 PM   #34
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I am considering Chrysler 300 , a Magnum or a Charger. Also VW Jetta diesel still sounds very good to me. So far not much else is appealing, oh maybe a Volvo of some sort.
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Old 01-01-2014, 05:26 PM   #35
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here is a photo I came across...Its a Golf TDI ..smaller than the Jetta.
This trailer weighs 3500lbs. mine weighs 4000 or so.
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Here is a photo from my past. The TV was a 1986 Mercedes 300 D (diesel) 5 cylinder, 77 HP as I recall. The hitch was a custom welded WD receiver type. The trailer was a 1963 Bambi.

It was sloooooooo, but always got me where I wanted to go. This photo was taken on a trip to California from Washington state, to look at a job offer. I didn't take the job, the Bambi is long gone (sigh), and the Mercedes too.

So, yes, Virginia, you can tow a Bambi with a 77 hp diesel.
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Old 01-01-2014, 06:52 PM   #37
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Sweet! I've been tempted to hitch up my 1984 Mercedes 300D Turbo to my 1968 Caravel, but I've been afraid of killing the transmission. How many miles would you estimate you towed with this rig?

Being the turbo model, mine has a whopping 125 horsepower and 180 ft-lbs or torque ... or at least it did when it was new. That's still going to be slow by any measure. Perhaps I'll drive it downhill only.
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Old 01-01-2014, 07:27 PM   #38
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Years ago I used to race H&I Gas VW bugs. I towed the race car on a surplus military flat haul trailer. My tow vehicle was a 1964 VW Van with the top cut off. I had to cut it off because I was afraid with all the rust it might blow off on its own. I towed that VW all over the south and as far as Los Vegas for the Nationals a couple of times. So anything is possible even if it is not the smartest thing to do.
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here is a photo I came across...Its a Golf TDI ..smaller than the Jetta.
This trailer weighs 3500lbs. mine weighs 4000 or so.
In the UK, the Golf Tdi is one of the more popular tow vehicles.



When I lived over there, I used to drive an old Land Rover Series IIa for years, 66hp if I remember correctly. I towed all kinds of trailers with that, typically horse boxes.



(not my truck, but an identical model)
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There you go Alan....

A couple of strong recommendations for the VW Golf TD1, complete with photo proof! It will be terrific.

All the best for the New Year,


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Here is a photo from my past. The TV was a 1986 Mercedes 300 D (diesel) 5 cylinder, 77 HP as I recall. The hitch was a custom welded WD receiver type. The trailer was a 1963 Bambi.

It was sloooooooo, but always got me where I wanted to go. This photo was taken on a trip to California from Washington state, to look at a job offer. I didn't take the job, the Bambi is long gone (sigh), and the Mercedes too.

So, yes, Virginia, you can tow a Bambi with a 77 hp diesel.
Hi, I learned very early on to hate those early Mercedes Diesels. When ever you got stuck behind one you could see the black smoke belching out of it's exhaust and smell the rotten Diesel fuel. You could easily spot one because you could see the black stained rear end long before you could see the "D" for Dumb Diesel. And for some reason that I could not understand, was that it seemed to take these cars three blocks to get over 15 MPH. By then you were thoroughly gassed. [pun intended] For this reason, I have never been a fan of Diesels.
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Sweet! I've been tempted to hitch up my 1984 Mercedes 300D Turbo to my 1968 Caravel, but I've been afraid of killing the transmission. How many miles would you estimate you towed with this rig?

Being the turbo model, mine has a whopping 125 horsepower and 180 ft-lbs or torque ... or at least it did when it was new. That's still going to be slow by any measure. Perhaps I'll drive it downhill only.
In thinking hard, it was a '76 300 D, non turbo, not an '86. I would bet I drove it about 5000 miles or more, the CA trip was probably 2500 alone. I took it on other shorter NW trips, and one to Utah I believe. Those transmissions were based on the GM THM 400 and are very rugged, even if they shift abruptly. I would not worry about that aspect at all. Your Caravel would be heavier than the Bambi, but you also have more power being a turbo.

I had an '83 Suburban Diesel with all of 145 hp, the early 6.3 L V8. I towed a couple of different 25' Airstreams all over, including the Dempster Highway north to the Arctic Circle. Wore out one engine, and the original POS Turbo 700 R4 transmission, but once I put a THM 400 in it, it went an additional 180,000 miles.
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