Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 01-23-2014, 11:05 AM   #239
Rivet Master
 
Road Ruler's Avatar
 
Currently Looking...
St. Catharines , South Western Ontario
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 2,364
Images: 39
Quote:
Originally Posted by andreasduess View Post
With the Odyssey I get an average of 14-16mpg at a steady 60mph on the highway.
That is good for towing the 34'. We "average" 16MPG with either the Nissan van or the G sedan. Thinking at a steady 60MPH 18 MPG is what we would get. *Imperial Gals.
__________________

__________________
Airstreams..... The best towing trailers on the planet!
Road Ruler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2014, 11:23 AM   #240
4 Rivet Member
 
Garfield's Avatar
 
2001 25' Safari
London , Ontario
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 298
Images: 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew T View Post
Hi Michel
I thought I would post this here so others can benefit from it. On the Traverse you do not need to go to 20" Rims, just a better 17" tire. The tire we usually use is a P235/65R x 17" XL (extra load). The one I would suggest is a Bridgestone Dueler HP High Performance summer tire (since you have snows for winter).

This tire will make a dramatic improvement in handling and steering feel. As well you should see a little better fuel economy due to less rolling resistance and some additional power. The downside is a very slightly firmer ride and the speedometer will read 5% fast so it will read 63 MPH when you are traveling at 60. This can be calibrated with an aftermarket performance chip but most don't worry about it.

It will seem like a completely different car with this change.

Andrew T
+1 to this.

I went with Andy's advice and changed out my OEM's for a set of Firestone Destination ST's P235/65R17 which come with a speed rating of 108H, XL load range with 1000 kg load capacity at 50 PSI. Compared to the OEM's (General HTS P245/70R17) these tires tightened the handling quite a bit, but the biggest improvement was the reduced shifting when towing on the highway.

With the OEM tires, the tranny was constantly shifting between 4th and 5th on the highway even with Tow/Haul on. On relatively flat ground I could hold 100 kph (62 MPH) in 5th gear at about 2200 RPM with no problems, but as soon as I hit any hill of significance and/or was running into a headwind of more than 20 kph the tranny would quickly downshift to 4th.

The smaller Destinations increased the RPM's (Revolutions Per Mile) 5% over the OEM's which raises the final drive ratio and increases power/torque. The difference in performance is very noticeable. Now the Traverse tends to "stick" in 5th gear much longer and only drops down to 4th gear when I encounter a significant hill. On really hilly roads I just leave the transmission in 4th and let the engine rev as necessary.

The lower profile nature of the tires also reduces sway and improves overall handling -- something that I was aware of with the mushy high profile OEM's.

Overall it's a much better towing experience.

__________________

__________________
Gary & Debbie
2001 Safari 25 SS
2011 Chevy Traverse 3.6L AWD Hensley DirecLink McKesh
Set-up by Can-Am RV
Garfield is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2014, 12:22 PM   #241
1972 Travelux Princess 25
 
Cobourg , Ontario
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,042
Quote:
Originally Posted by Road Ruler View Post
It always amazes me how small changes like this make such a huge, positive improvement. Why can't the auto engineers figure this out??
Auto sales are VERY price competitive and cheap tires are an easy way to cut costs. Also easy to upgrade, for a price.

Plus I don't think they put as much testing or effort into trailer tow packages as they did back in the sixties and seventies. At that time the tow car market was much larger than today.
__________________
Living in the trailer park of sense, looking out the window at a tornado of stupidity.
Ganaraska is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2014, 05:43 PM   #242
Rivet Master
 
ALANSD's Avatar

 
1966 26' Overlander
Woodstock , Georgia
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 8,463
Quote:
Originally Posted by Garfield View Post
+1 to this.

Overall it's a much better towing experience.
Thanks Gary for that info. What kind of mileage do you get towing? And the Traverse runs on regular 89 Octane gas?
__________________
1966 Overlander
AIR #005
Please visit our blogs and web pages:
OUR AIRSTREAM PASSION! BLOG
RESTORING AN AIRSTREAM
Our AIRSTREAM and TIN CAN TOURIST Rallys
ALANSD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-24-2014, 07:54 AM   #243
Rivet Master
 
Currently Looking...
Nowhere , Somewhere
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 6,419
Blog Entries: 2
You guys have finally convinced methat a smaller tv will work. I posted on the tongue weight thread by mistake. Jim
__________________
avionstream is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-24-2014, 09:30 AM   #244
Tom and Phyllis
 
Lucky Tom's Avatar
 
2009 23' FB Flying Cloud
Tuscaloosa , Alabama
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 98
Images: 2
Small SUV pulling 23ft Flying Cloud

Here is a picture of my setup. A Land Rover (100 inch wheelbase) pulling a 23ft Flying Cloud.
18 inch wheels and Yokahoma high performance tires provide a stable tow without sway.
Coil spring suspension provide a solid ride. Vehicle is a little stiff and uncomfortable without a load.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	Going home.jpg
Views:	130
Size:	253.9 KB
ID:	204241  
__________________
Tom, Phyllis, and Snowy, the white Siberian Husky
2009 23ft FB Flying Cloud
2015 Ram 2500 Cummins Turbo Diesel Crew Cab
LD Valley w/ 800 lb trunion bars
Honda eu3000is generator
Lucky Tom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-24-2014, 09:43 AM   #245
Tom and Phyllis
 
Lucky Tom's Avatar
 
2009 23' FB Flying Cloud
Tuscaloosa , Alabama
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 98
Images: 2
Showing all hooked up and ready to go home.

This photo showing Land Rover and Flying Cloud all hooked up and ready to pull out. The scales indicate I shift about 1000lb of the AS up to the TV.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	hooked up.jpg
Views:	132
Size:	292.4 KB
ID:	204243  
__________________
Tom, Phyllis, and Snowy, the white Siberian Husky
2009 23ft FB Flying Cloud
2015 Ram 2500 Cummins Turbo Diesel Crew Cab
LD Valley w/ 800 lb trunion bars
Honda eu3000is generator
Lucky Tom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-24-2014, 03:57 PM   #246
Rivet Master
 
ALANSD's Avatar

 
1966 26' Overlander
Woodstock , Georgia
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 8,463
I don't think of that vehicle as small...guess that is a matter of personal opinion.. But what kind of mileage does it get?
__________________
1966 Overlander
AIR #005
Please visit our blogs and web pages:
OUR AIRSTREAM PASSION! BLOG
RESTORING AN AIRSTREAM
Our AIRSTREAM and TIN CAN TOURIST Rallys
ALANSD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-24-2014, 04:08 PM   #247
Rivet Master
 
andreasduess's Avatar
 
1984 34' International
Toronto , Ontario
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 1,496
Images: 5
Blog Entries: 1
While we're talking tires, when I asked AndrewT about recommendations for our Honda, he suggested Goodyear Assurance Triple Treads, 235/55 or Michelin Defenders.
__________________
andreasduess is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2014, 07:01 AM   #248
4 Rivet Member
 
Garfield's Avatar
 
2001 25' Safari
London , Ontario
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 298
Images: 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by ALANSD View Post
Thanks Gary for that info. What kind of mileage do you get towing? And the Traverse runs on regular 89 Octane gas?
Hi Alan;

Yes, the Traverse runs on regular octane gas.

When towing we average 11-12 MPG, which is about the same as you'd get with a modern 1/4 ton PU truck or full sized Yukon SUV these days towing an Airstream. IMO the V6 powerplant GM is currently using in the Lambda platforms is not a bad engine but also isn't the best when it comes to fuel consumption. Not towing we get a couple of MPG more than a Yukon (average), which we used to drive. The main reason we chose the Traverse over another Yukon because the Traverse was $10k less expensive to buy, and we knew it would tow our Safari competently, which which of course it does. I have no regrets with our purchase.
__________________
Gary & Debbie
2001 Safari 25 SS
2011 Chevy Traverse 3.6L AWD Hensley DirecLink McKesh
Set-up by Can-Am RV
Garfield is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2014, 01:25 PM   #249
2 Rivet Member
 
jmlabs's Avatar
 
1970 31' Sovereign
Asheville , North Carolina
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 44
I know I'm coming in a little late here but I had the same question when I purchased my 1970 31' Sovereign a few months back...

I also wanted a smaller vehicle as I drive around often to meet clients - I'm a freelance web developer. Out of the total time my car would be driving only 3% it would be pulling an airstream. I also wanted something sporty and fun, as well as practical to fit dog, friends, music equipment, etc etc. I also live in the mountains of WNC.

With the help of Joe at CanAm RV, we narrowed it down to Wagons and a few SUVs. I <3 Wagons!

I ended up purchasing a 2006 BMW 325xi (AWD) for only $16k with only 50,000 miles. I know my deal is not average but still, used BMWs are out there. It took me about 2 months to find the right one.

After reading all of the info on wheels and tires on this thread I may upgrade the rims to 17" (was considering this anyways) and tires for towing purposes and keep the OEM ones as winter drivers.

At first glance you're like "That can't pull an Airstream!" but once you drive it you realize the brakes are superb, the engine is powerful and the Auto with manual option transmission is versatile. It's not setup for towing yet (the AS resto is not done) but I will be driving to CanAm to get the hitch on hopefully sometime next year.

I should mention that my AS will be under the normal weights because I won't have bathroom, water, beds, etc. It will be more of an "office" setup. Probably shaving off at least 1000lbs vs the normal Airstreams people live and camp in.

A picture:



I wanted a TDI Wagon but Joe said it wasn't recommended for pulling an AS that was as big as mine. The mpgs on my BMW aren't great to be honest. About 20mpg city driving and probably in the higher 20s with highway driving. I'm sure towing won't be much better than 10, probably even less - it also is supposed to get >91 octane gas, but mid-grade is ok I've heard. (I sill use premium)

It's normally an expensive car to own, but I got it for such a good deal and it meets all of my other needs x10. The space is amazing and it's a pleasure to drive around in the MTNs of NC. BMW is also bringing the Diesel wagon to the US this year for the 2014 models!

BTW - the 3-series BMW wagon is much, much more fun to drive than the 5-series wagon, but the 5 series felt like it might be a better TV due to it's stability and longer wheelbase. I drove both and picked the one with half the milage.
__________________
jmlabs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2014, 02:03 PM   #250
Rivet Master
 
ALANSD's Avatar

 
1966 26' Overlander
Woodstock , Georgia
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 8,463
so far it seems the mileage benfit to me would only be when not towing. As most are getting 10-12 which is what I get now. Non towing local driving I get 12 or so too. So I might have to wait it out a bit until the $$ grow and I can get a newer gasser or a diesel something..
The EXC is hard to beat as a tow vehicle.
__________________
1966 Overlander
AIR #005
Please visit our blogs and web pages:
OUR AIRSTREAM PASSION! BLOG
RESTORING AN AIRSTREAM
Our AIRSTREAM and TIN CAN TOURIST Rallys
ALANSD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2014, 02:10 PM   #251
2 Rivet Member
 
jmlabs's Avatar
 
1970 31' Sovereign
Asheville , North Carolina
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 44
Quote:
Originally Posted by ALANSD View Post
so far it seems the mileage benfit to me would only be when not towing. As most are getting 10-12 which is what I get now. Non towing local driving I get 12 or so too. So I might have to wait it out a bit until the $$ grow and I can get a newer gasser or a diesel something..
The EXC is hard to beat as a tow vehicle.
Waiting is never a bad idea, and remember, there are a lot of cars out there.

A dear family friend has a huge EXC that's diesel. Doesn't get very good gas, but it's a badass TV for their 27' AS
__________________
jmlabs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2014, 02:43 PM   #252
Rivet Master
 
Road Ruler's Avatar
 
Currently Looking...
St. Catharines , South Western Ontario
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 2,364
Images: 39
Quote:
Originally Posted by jmlabs View Post

With the help of Joe at CanAm RV, we narrowed it down to Wagons and a few SUVs. I <3 Wagons!

I ended up purchasing a 2006 BMW 325xi (AWD) for only $16k with only 50,000 miles.
After reading all of the info on wheels and tires on this thread I may upgrade the rims to 17" (was considering this anyways) and tires for towing purposes and keep the OEM ones as winter drivers.
A 325xi......Very Nice! In black too! Wouldn't mind one of those in my stable!

Re tires. That is what I do. The 17's with Ultra High Performance tires for summer / towing and 16" rims with Michelin snows for winter. Works great for our type of cars.

PS.. Please post some pics when you get it all put together. No doubt it will be a looker.
__________________

__________________
Airstreams..... The best towing trailers on the planet!
Road Ruler is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by




Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:48 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

Airstream is a registered trademark of Airstream Inc. All rights reserved. Airstream trademark used under license to Social Knowledge LLC.