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Old 01-17-2014, 01:38 PM   #169
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I had though that the 2012 Subaru Outback was a great tow. Untill the trailer got away and totaled the new Outback and 2010 16' Bambi. I'm lucky to be alive.
I then switched to a 2012 Jeep Grand Cherokee V6 and it pulled my 2011 20 Safari very well. Towing it got 12-14 MPG. Not towing 18-22 with regular gas.
I just traded the Jeep for a 2014 Grand Cherokee Diesel. On the way home from the dealer I got 28.6 MPG. I can't wait to tow.

FYI Jeep has a new Cherokee that may fit the bill for a small tow.
A lot to think about here, and a lot of questions unanswered, but the fact remains 16' Bambi behind a Subaru Outback "got away" from the driver, and totaled the entire rig.

2012 Subaru Outback, Max Towing Capacity, 2700lbs., "When adequately equipped, which may require engine and/or other drivetrain upgrades."

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Happy that no one was seriously injured.
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The very same car in the UK is rated to tow 1700 kg or 3770lbs.

Without knowing all the details it is hard to have a qualified opinion, but it sounds more like a brake failure, or an incorrect setup, than a vehicle issue to me.

I don't think I'd choose to tow much with a Subaru myself, but it should be more than car enough to handle a Bambi.
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small tow

real small tow vehicle
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Old 01-17-2014, 03:22 PM   #172
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Seriously check out the new Jeep Cherokee It claims 31 MPG and will tow 4500lbs. They also start at 22K.

2014 Jeep Cherokee - Efficient All-Weather Capability SUV
I believe the V4 has 31 MPG and the V6 has the 4500# towing capacity, so you won't get both at the same time.
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This thread make me look up the new GC. I am liking that car more and more, especially with the diesel engine. Shame it doesn't come as a seven seater.
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The very same car in the UK is rated to tow 1700 kg or 3770lbs.

Without knowing all the details it is hard to have a qualified opinion, but it sounds more like a brake failure, or an incorrect setup, than a vehicle issue to me.

I don't think I'd choose to tow much with a Subaru myself, but it should be more than car enough to handle a Bambi.
Like I said, lots of questions unanswered. But one question comes to my mind, and that is would a more capable tow vehicle come out with the same results in the exact same situation? We'll probably never know, but just maybe this is why I've read so, so many times on these forums not to tow more than 80% of the manufacturers rating?
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its the Cherokee that looks interesting, smaller than the Grand and tows 4500 lbs, with sway control built in, an mid 20s fuel mileage.

As for the subaru, its not on my list. But if the brakes were hooked up and working it might have been a different story.
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I love it! Great post.
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so many times on these forums not to tow more than 80% of the manufacturers rating?
And what ratings would that be? The US ratings? Canadian ratings? UK ratings? They appear to fluctuate wildly, even for identical vehicles.
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Is that for real?
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And what ratings would that be? The US ratings? Canadian ratings? UK ratings? They appear to fluctuate wildly, even for identical vehicles.
I sure everyone will do what they want, but I will consider American ratings with American trailers on American roads.

So far, it has worked well for me since 1971 when I started towing travel trailers.
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Can we not turn this thread into another argument about tow vehicle size, please? That's a discussion for another thread. Let's see actual setups, as requested by the OP.
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I finally got the 300 back from the shop with a new receiver and a set of air shocks. It took a week in the shop because of the difficulty in finding a set of shocks or bags that would work. None of the manufacturers have made aftermarket parts for the 2012 yet.

So far, I am happy with the setup, but I have to still get a power plug and brake controller installed. I think the work was done well. I had taken Andy's photos of the receiver to him, and he had already done a Honda Odyssey with this same modification.

Since I have a really nice 12V compressor I use on RV trips, I did not have a compressor installed. I had the air chuck installed in the trunk and I will carry my compressor. The batter is also in the trunk.
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That looks great. I can't wait to hear about your first towing experience with it.
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