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Old 01-15-2014, 06:49 PM   #155
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Hi, that 2014 Volkswagen Micro-bus should really tow great with the "2000 Horse power 2.0 L turbo charged four cylinder gas engine."

Good catch Robert, Jim
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Old 01-16-2014, 10:26 AM   #156
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I looked at a Volvo X90 yesterday...nice but I wonder how much better mileage I would get. Not too much it seems...still looking
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Old 01-16-2014, 10:27 AM   #157
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I though I did because I took it to an RV dealer to check my wiring. When I asked "Do I have brakes?" The RV dealers responce was "yes".

But, I think he was talking lights and I was talking electric brakes.
don't you have a brake controller? It tells you when its connected to the braking system
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Old 01-16-2014, 12:09 PM   #158
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Just sharing my towing arrangement: I have just purchased a Flying Cloud, (October) and I pull it with a 2003 Land Rover Discovery which I bought new. These are the numbers:
Front Axle max: 2646LB
Front Axle w/WD (Valley): 2200LB
Rear Axle max: 3792LB
Rear Axle w/WD (Valley): 3060LB
Gross Weight of TV plus 23ft FB FC 9940LB
The FC is made weighing 5118LB and with fresh water (39 gal) and a little in the BW tank I'm guessing it weighs around 5500LB
With WD hitch I am shifting almost 1000LB onto the TV.
Fuel is from 10-11 mpg premium
This arrangement tows well. I have made one trip using a lot of sway control, which I did not like. This last trip to Canopener 2014, I used no sway control and like it much better. There was never any sway, even with the sway adjustment loose. The water on-board really helps with stability and sway control.
With the Valley WD hitch, the sway bar is external, a separate item. On the first trip I was thinking I would have a sway problem so I tightened it all the way down and this made the TV veer left each time I was overtaken by a big truck coming up on my left. The wind-force pushing the A/S to the right was forcing the TV to the left, toward the center lane. With no sway control, (the adjustment loose) the TV and A/S articulate better. Each person has his own preference, this is mine. For what it is worth.
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Old 01-16-2014, 02:33 PM   #159
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wouldn't call that a small tow vehicle though. You have to run premium fuel too? Thats not good..at least my Excursion runs regular and gets 10-12 towing too.
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Old 01-16-2014, 07:23 PM   #160
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don't you have a brake controller? It tells you when its connected to the braking system
You are correct about the brake controler. But, since I was a first time trailer tower, I did not know what the controler was telling me. It is lit at all times even without a trailer on. I also did not have the owner manual with me.
I now know how to read and use it correctly.
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Old 01-16-2014, 07:31 PM   #161
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Seriously check out the new Jeep Cherokee It claims 31 MPG and will tow 4500lbs. They also start at 22K.

2014 Jeep Cherokee - Efficient All-Weather Capability SUV
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Very interesting comments. Jim
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AlanSD, your trailer weighs about as much as mine, so this is why I was giving you the numbers. I had just returned from the scales at the nearby truck stop and had those weights in front of me. If you downsize, be sure you are not exceeding your axle weight limits, axle to axle. If you notice the numbers, I am only a few hundred pounds below the axle limits. Steering axle weighs 2200 lb and my max allowed is 2646 lb. That is only 400 lbs to play with. The rear axle of TV weighs 3060 lb and my max allowed is 3792 lb. Only 700 lb available for stuff. Again, this is without the stuff you need on your trip. I had unloaded all but the fresh water holding tank which was full. And remember those mpg figures drop drastically when towing is close to the limit. If this info is of no use to you, perhaps it will be of use to others reading it with similar thoughts.
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By the way, Alan, you need congratulated on the restoration of your Vintage Airstream. I just read your blog. Well done with both the restoration and the sharing of info some of us may need at some point in time. Thanks.
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Thanks much appreciated. I love that old girl, rescued it from too many years out in a field unused.
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Seriously check out the new Jeep Cherokee It claims 31 MPG and will tow 4500lbs. They also start at 22K.

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I might be able to lease one of those if I wait until after Summer. My wife's lease is up and we could get a Cherokee then. That is a consideration.
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A guy was using one of those at the recent Canopener rally. His Airforum name is AWCHIEF.
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A guy was using one of those at the recent Canopener rally. His Airforum name is AWCHIEF.
AWChief had the Grand Cherokee-
Jeep has re-introduced the Cherokee- a little smaller and less expensive-
AWChief's Grand Cherokee was awesome- fully hard loaded with every available option-
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