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Old 09-22-2017, 11:52 AM   #1
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Sequoia owners--I need advice, please!

Hi,

We have a 30' 2002 Classic (with S/O) and we tow it with a Nissan Armada. After years of hard work, the Armada needs to be an around-town vehicle only, and we are considering a Toyota Sequoia. Does anyone have any experience towing an AS with a Sequoia? Is there a better/different vehicle you would recommend and if so, why?

(Please note: we have 4 children, so the vehicle we choose has to both tow the Airstream AND have seating capacity to tow our kids.)

Thanks in advance!
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Old 09-22-2017, 01:58 PM   #2
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I think there are a few folks on AF that are happy with their Sequoias. I had a 2011 Sequoia that I used to tow our 2011 23FB and our current 2014 25FB. I traded up to a 2017 F150 and I'm very pleased. I test drove a F150 (and a GMC ) over a weekend and took my AS for a test tow, and it was immediately obvious I would no longer use the Sequoia as a tow vehicle. The towing experience in the trucks was much less stressful. Fortunately we only have three kids so the F150 works for us. In fact the back seat of the F150 has more room than the Sequoia.
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Old 09-22-2017, 02:02 PM   #3
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I hit send too soon. See if you can test drive a Sequoia overnight, and take your AS for a spin.
Also.....and I hate to bring this up since there are thousands of post already covering the topic.....but you will exceed the payload on the Sequoia.
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Old 09-22-2017, 03:17 PM   #4
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And contact Andrew Thomson at Can Am RV. He's expert, and ilconsiders advising on TV/TT combinations sort of a hobby. That dealership has set up more than 10,000 rigs. No one knows it better.
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Old 09-22-2017, 04:08 PM   #5
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I tried towing our 2016 Classic with our Sequoia. (I have posted about the experience on another thread.) I was not happy. Very hard not to go over payload capacity. Ended up getting a 1 ton truck. (3/4 ton would have worked.)
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Old 09-22-2017, 06:43 PM   #6
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Hi,

We have a 30' 2002 Classic (with S/O) and we tow it with a Nissan Armada. After years of hard work, the Armada needs to be an around-town vehicle only, and we are considering a Toyota Sequoia. Does anyone have any experience towing an AS with a Sequoia? Is there a better/different vehicle you would recommend and if so, why?

(Please note: we have 4 children, so the vehicle we choose has to both tow the Airstream AND have seating capacity to tow our kids.)

Thanks in advance!
What's the GVW of the Classic? What's the tow capacity of the Sequoia?
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Old 09-23-2017, 09:40 AM   #7
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I hit send too soon. See if you can test drive a Sequoia overnight, and take your AS for a spin.
Also.....and I hate to bring this up since there are thousands of post already covering the topic.....but you will exceed the payload on the Sequoia.
Don't be shy about it. Payload is the single most important issue to consider. You can move and tow any Air stream with a Honda Civic.
Carrying the tongue weight, passengers and the general stuff we all lug around is another matter altogether. The "Tail Waging the Dog" happens with an overloaded TV and that's when trouble begins.
There are untold number of people who bought into the notion " we can make it work " only to find out it doesn't work all that well and were forced into moving up to a more suitable TV. Everyone starts out wanting to make it work with the smallest TV possible. IMHO that is the wrong approach. For safe towing one should chose a TV that will get the job done safely and than add 20 percent for additional margin of safety..
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Best advice on THIS question!

Contact Andy at CanAm in London, Ontario CANADA. He directed the setup of my AS (34' Panamerica) with 2010 Tundra w/short bed. The before and after controlling of our AS was remarkable!! What you are going to give up by using a Seqouia is room for RV "stuff" - really! I have both versions of the Tundra platform (Seqouia being like a refined sister). While you'll ENJOY the relative luxury of the high end Tundra models (Limited/Platinum), You'll be really trashing the Seqouia interior carting RV gear.
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Old 09-23-2017, 10:19 AM   #9
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You need to be aware that Toyotas in general have weak brakes and the Sequioa is notorious for soft weak brakes.
I have a 2008 with 130k miles, never towed anything but kids. The rotors will warp in about 20,000 miles or less when worked very hard. I couldn't imagine pulling my 30' 2017 International with my Seqioua. I tow with a GMC duramax diesel HD pickup. Much much more towing and braking ability.
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Don't be shy about it. Payload is the single most important issue to consider. You can move and tow any Air stream with a Honda Civic.
Carrying the tongue weight, passengers and the general stuff we all lug around is another matter altogether. The "Tail Waging the Dog" happens with an overloaded TV and that's when trouble begins.
There are untold number of people who bought into the notion " we can make it work " only to find out it doesn't work all that well and were forced into moving up to a more suitable TV. Everyone starts out wanting to make it work with the smallest TV possible. IMHO that is the wrong approach. For safe towing one should chose a TV that will get the job done safely and than add 20 percent for additional margin of safety..
One wants bad advice devoid of fact, there it is.

Payload is not ever the determinant in choosing the best tow vehicle for family vacationers, inherent stability is what matters most.

Being stuck on a particular vehicle is a problem. It might be that another in the same class is better, or it may be that a different design is altogether better.

In some cases, an entire class is to be avoided. Last resort, unless solo business miles also dictate choice.

OP, were I to argue to you that a vehicle more likely to be the source of an accident, and more likely to result in serious injury to you and your family, you'd think me daft. But that's the quoted advice in a nutshell.

Contact Thomson. Customers or folks looking for advice in your situation are his bread & butter. He posts here as Andrew_T. He also consults to Airstream and SAE on towing.

Take a little time and do the best job. The best advisor is where to go.

The hitch lash-up is what matters. 90% get it wrong. The ignorant don't fix the problem they have with this, they go and buy an even worse TV.

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Old 09-23-2017, 04:16 PM   #11
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I like my Sequoia

We tow our FC27' 2015 with a 2015 tow equipped Sequoia. I have over 30,000 miles on the combo, including a trip west through Utah and Colorado, and it has performed very well. Mileage is about 11 mpg overall. We use an Equalizer WD hitch. I did add rear air lifts to the vehicle, and it rides level. And the Sequoia is a great vehicle for other times....not the most economical for sure, but since it serves two purposes we live with it. One drawback is the rear lift gate won't clear the trailer when hooked up, but the roll down back window and judicious packing lets me manage.
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Also Considering Sequoyah as Another Option - Specs?

We have some similar questions to the OP, since I'm also considering a Sequoyah (yes Toyota, that's how it's supposed to be spelled) as an alternative to the Porsche Cayenne S (V8), even if it's a bit larger than I'd prefer for our tight conditions at home/driveway & street.

The Toyotas are usually pretty reliable, & parts are usually significantly less that Porsche parts .... but is the Sequoyah as reliable & low maintenance as the other cars/trucks?

The above weak brakes & warping rotors at 20K miles comment gives me pause!
.... What's the problem there??

Also, do you need to remove the spare tire from under the rear storage position, in order to have clearance for the forward end of the tow bar or Hensley/PP stinger?

I ask because with the smaller mid-sized 4Runner & its Lexus GX46/47 cousin only has about a 3" long factory hitch receiver tube & only 1/2"-1" clear to the spare tire. When I looked at the Sequoyah hitch/spare set-up, it too looks like a short tube & tight to the spare.

Lastly, what are the key towing specs for the recent 2011-17 Sequoyahs with the 5.7L V8?
> Note to OP, you'll want to consider all of these in your evaluation.

GTWR - Tow Weight Rating
HWR - Hitch Wt. Rating
GVWR - Gross Vehicle Wt. Rating (TV - Only)
GCWR - Gross Combined Vehicles Wt. Rating (TV + TT)
GAWR - F - Gross Axle Wt. Rating - Front (TV)
GAWR - R - Gross Axle Wt. Rating - Rear (TV)

> Note to OP, the above includes Full Fuel & other Fluids + 150 lb. Driver (add for heavier), so you'll need to add for the other 4 passengers (& if you're over 150#), plus all the baggage & stuff a family takes on trips! Some of this cargo can be handled by loading in the trailer properly balanced & secured, up to the trailer's GTWR.

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In our case, we're only towing a vintage kin Avion T20 which is only about 3000-3500# wet & loaded, depending upon how much we load in or on the 20' class trailer. It's already equipped with a Hensley Cub & Tekonsha Prodigy RF brake controller, since we've been renting TVs since we got the Avion in 2013. The Cayenne is rated to tow 7700+ l s. with 700+/- HW, & only the GVWR, GCVWR & GVAR-F/R are a management issue when we take more than my wife & I when towing (e.g.: guest[s], grandkid[s], etc.); as well as really good brakes, power & stiff suspension; & it's smaller mid-size actually fits in our driveway.

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Thanx in advance for any additional input, which I'm sure will help the OP too!

Cheers!
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Old 09-23-2017, 06:14 PM   #13
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Which hitch system are you using with the 30 Slide?
If you can wait three months I think the 2018 Expedition might will be a better choice. Another option is a Dodge Durango RT. The Durango needs a stronger receiver however.
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Old 09-24-2017, 09:46 AM   #14
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2008 Toyota Sequoia tows our 27' trailer

My wife and I have a 2014 International Sterling 27' and have successfully towed it cross country and back twice! I keep pretty accurate records on our travels, and we have logged in over 20,000 travel miles with our vehicle. The 2008 Sequoia has 180,000 miles on it and except for the starter motor going out on me, I have had no issues towing whatsoever. We travel with 4 dogs, who do not require all of the "stuff" your children would require, and we only carry the "necessities". No portable generator or other exceptionally heavy stuff. The Sequoia has a 5.7 liter 8 cylinder that seems more than capable for the task. Hope this info helps in your decision.
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