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Old 09-13-2007, 08:04 AM   #15
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In any case this is a LOT of expensive capability to just have for six trips a year. Plan more trips.
Yea, but it's sure nice to have peace of mind and being able to use your AC while going up hill in most cases

Of course though, it all boils down to $$. Get what you can afford and can safely tow your TT.

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Old 09-13-2007, 08:28 AM   #16
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No doubt about it... get the 3/4 ton. In the Dodges the rear end is fully floating (the axel is not a bearing surface). With the increased tongue weights having a heavy duty rear end is a good idea. If you aren't using it as a daily driver, although my wife prefers the tv for a daily driver, the ride won't matter. We have a Hemi but if I were going to add 1500lbs to the towing weight, I'd seriously consider a diesel. Anything past 6000lbs needs the torque of a diesel if you want to press the speed limit. We have a rally associate that pulls a 25FB with a Dorango and does fine but I don't think that he cares about being at 35 or 40 on 6% grades.

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Old 09-13-2007, 08:38 AM   #17
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I guess a lot depends upon how long you are going to keep the vehicle, how often you are going to use it and the terrain. I use my 3/4 ton gas engine van for towing and we only do around 7,000 miles a year with it. I'm no expert on the diesal topic but there seems to be some consensus that lack of use on a diesal vehicle may add some fuel induced risk to the ownership equation.

Other issues I'm curious about is the servicing end. I hear that diesal's may be more expensive to service. Can anyone fill in that side of the equation?

For the type of usage I'm doing, I don't think the premium that a diesal demands in initial cost justifies itself.

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Old 09-13-2007, 08:49 AM   #18
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I have a diesel towing a 25' Safari, and I agree, you are unlikely to earn back in mileage and engine life the premium you pay for the diesel, diesel fuel, diesel oil changes (a lot of oil there!), diesel service and repairs. But there is a comfort factor to the diesel, a sense of knowing my Dodge can do the job, and with a healthy margin. I don't regret having got the diesel - I only regret not having got 4WD. Another factor: if you are soon tempted to replace your 25' with a longer model, as unlikely as that seems now, you will not have to worry about the adequacy of your truck.

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Old 09-13-2007, 09:02 AM   #19
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Not sure diesel is real important. More important that you get the ĺ ton. Gas/diesel is personal preference. Having said that, after 2 seasons with the DA I am now a diesel convert. We use the truck as mainly for tow duty and other adventure trips (skiing, kayaking, etc) but not as a daily commuter. The economy of the diesel has proven itself to me; 15mpg towing with a mess of boats up on the roof, firewood, bikes, etc in the bed (in other words; a lot of stuff). Last winter, with about 10k on the odo we were averaging 21 mpg lightly loaded for ski trips (not towing). I did not get anywhere near this with Ĺ ton/small block gassers. Of course a big block would be even worse as far as mpg. We had a couple of Suburbans, that are GREAT vehicles, but truth is I find the crew cab truck more useful, Still seats five comfortably, but I can throw all kinds of crap in the back (had to be a little more careful with the SUV). I also use the truck for firewood, landscape duty etc. The SUV was fine when I had my business and always had a truck I could use. We scaled back a couple of years ago, and having to choose between a truck and large SUV, Iíll take a truck. Another thing to consider; the new diesels are much easier to live with than a few years ago, no smell, low maintenance, no smoke, no soot on the AS. Really no different than gas as far as day to day issues. I was a little intimidated about diesel as I had never owned one before, my fears were unfounded.
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Old 09-13-2007, 09:03 AM   #20
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Diesel on hills.... down hills

We have a 25' Classic and pull it with a 2003 Chev Silverado 2500 with a Duramax diesel. I have no experience with other tow vehicles, but this one has served us well. We are about to finish a 12-week tour of the west and we've pulled on some pretty steep hills at high temperatures (e.g., 6% and 113 degrees coming out of Laughlin, NV) and although the speed was down to 35-40mph at times, it has not overheated.

But the biggest advantage of the Duramax combined with the six speed Allison trans (at least in my mind) is going down hills. Even 6% grades require very little braking. It just holds between 55 and 60 on most hills. I don't think you would get this compression breaking with a gas engine.

I've talked to a lot of Duramax owners and all have been very happy with their truck. We have seen a lot of them on our trip. A used truck would be in your price range.

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Old 09-13-2007, 12:34 PM   #21
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George -- that's called Allison Grade Braking. BillTex gave a name to it on Forums first that I recall. Search on those words if interested.

Jack -- My receipts aren't right in front of me. But figure something just under a $100 for oil and filter and almost the same price for a fuel filter change. Of course the electronic monitor doesn't have you do those at the same time... always gonna be two trips.

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Old 09-13-2007, 12:51 PM   #22
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Air Filter - FRAM $14-$15 every 20,000 miles
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Oil Filter - Motocraft $9 every 5000 miles (Oh, go squeal about how wrong this is and how often you change yours somewhere else)
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Old 09-13-2007, 02:29 PM   #23

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Originally Posted by moosetags
We have a 2005 25' Safari that we have pulled about 20,000 miles in all conditions and terrain with a 2005 Suburban 2500 4x4x4 with the 6.0 liter gas engine. We have found this to be a very good TT/TV combination. That being said, we with probably replace the Sub with a Duramax puck-up unless GM sees fit to put the Duramax in the Suburban. It is rumored that this will happen.
Although my 95, 3/4,7.4, 3:73,BURB has been an outstanding TV, I would replace it in a NYM if G.M. would offer the same with the Dura-max, Allison combo. Isn't dreaming FUN
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Old 09-13-2007, 02:50 PM   #24
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Are you planning on upgrading? I would get at least a 3/4 ton vehicle with capacity to pull at least 10,000 lbs. Your trailer has a maximum weight 7300. You need a TV that has a rated tow capacity of 8800 lbs.
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Old 09-13-2007, 03:09 PM   #25
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Originally Posted by thecatsandi
Your trailer has a maximum weight 7300. You need a TV that has a rated tow capacity of 8800 lbs.
Don't pay attention to inflated tow capacity numbers -- I was the original Nissan Titan owner on these boards. I got my 25' FB SE and the Titan was history. 1/2-tonners easily have that much tow capacity but they lack in payload capacity to bear driver/passenger weights, fuel weight, tongue weight, and other options (truck cap, gear in the box or back of SUV). At least look at some of the GM/Chev 1500 HD load capacity specs -- you're as good as you get with 1/2-tonners at that level -- whichever of the Big 3 can match it at least.

A dealer told a Mopar Diesel friend that the Tundra is going to have a diesel next year... ('09 models?). Believe it when you see it.

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Old 09-13-2007, 06:10 PM   #26
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My TV is a '06 3/4 ton crew cab Ram with the Cummins TD and the two things I notice over a gasser are the milage and the torque. Everyone has commented on the better milage but to crawl up a big grade passing all of the trucks and never drop out of top gear really keeps the stress level low. One downshift and Mrs. HiHo starts grabbing the dash and fussing about my aggressive driving.
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Old 09-13-2007, 06:15 PM   #27
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Just a thought, if you only use a Tow Vehicle 6 times a year then why not rent one? That seems to me like a lot of money to put into something you won't use too much and will have to insure and maintain all year.
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I seem to recall threads about renting and it is generally tough to find -- or companies outright prohibit towing. I can't imagine they'd be available for unlimited use with a Class III/IV hitch. Our 289 cid Falcon Ford (Mustangs were nothing but Falcons with a different body) blew up towing a small trailer once in Muskogee, OK. We could rented a full size U-Haul to pull that small trailer the rest of the way to Temple, Texas. Those companies aren't as tow friendly nowadays. And I'm sure even a U-Haul couldn't take a 2 5/16" ball. The most common RV rental these days is a Class C moho.

By the way -- note that the OEM ST tires on an Airstream usually have a top speed limit of 65mph. I will go just that fast on an interstate. 62mph is okay. Even 58mph. But 55mph is to-o-oo darn slow! Mrs. HiHo knows something!


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