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Old 06-08-2011, 12:56 AM   #15
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As a newly arrived European (not wishing to offend anyone) I struggle to see why anyone would want such monsters, but they do; it's a North Anerican thing I guess. Not many people have trucks in Europe, they use too much gas, but I notice that panel vans in Europe are growing big aggressive grilles and light clusters; who drives panel vans? Big aggressive men of course! It's all very depressing :~(
I live in farm country, and people need trucks for hauling hay, hauling loads of dirt and yard materials, towing trailers, all sorts of reasons. If you don't have a truck, you'd better have a friend who does! However everyone in our income bracket has 15-20 year old trucks, and we aren't too concerned about style - just if it's still running!
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Old 06-08-2011, 01:00 AM   #16
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Hi, there might be a truck in my future, but I'm not sure what Ford it will be. I'm thinking F-150 with a 6.2 L engine. Seems that all of the trucks are sitting just too high. Years ago People with F-150's bought a Lightning rear spring mounting kit from Ford; It made the truck more level, lower in back than stock, handled better and looked better. I would like to do that with a newer F-150 if it can be done the same way. I think Toyota got all hung up on this height thing too; While sitting at a stop light next to a Toyota 1/2 ton pick-up, it looks like the cab is about six inches higher than the cab on my Navigator, but the Toyota hood is about a foot higher. [Gee, what kind of monster engine is in that Toyota for it to need that high of a hood?] The 250's / 350's and 2500's / 3500's are also sitting too high; They need to be lowered for proper balance and a lower center of gravity.
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Old 06-08-2011, 04:38 AM   #17
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The noise thing is hardly a fad, it started back in the 70s and 80s. Truck too high, have it lowered. jim
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Old 06-08-2011, 07:40 AM   #18
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I agree with Kosm1o on bed height.
I could reach over the side of my '90 F250 and retrieve items.
I saw a Tundra at Sams, the side of the bed is as high as my arm pit (I'm 6-0'), which pretty much makes the bed useless for my needs.
I like my '02 Tacoma for usable size.
New trucks seem to be in a race for the ugly prize. New GM's look the best to my eye.
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Old 06-08-2011, 07:55 AM   #19
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The headlights on the new Fords make me think of something from a dystopian future ala Robocop or Terminator. I saw an article linked on Cartalk.com where they listed the "equal sign" grill of the 2010+ Ford F-250/F-350 as one of the top 10 ugliest.

We bought a 2006 F-250 a couple weeks ago that doesn't have the robot overlord headlights or "equal sign" grill. It's about 7' tall and 21' feet long! It REALLY doesn't need to be that tall (the length is a factor of the 8' bed and supercab - but note it's actually 2 feet longer than my B190!). But I bought it for one purpose - to tow an Airstream... styling was a secondary consideration, but it has grown on me.

On the other hand, the interior of the truck is just beautiful. Much nicer than any other vehicle I've owned or driven. I guess that's what happens when you buy a vehicle that runs in the $50K range new.
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The noise thing is hardly a fad, it started back in the 70s and 80s. Truck too high, have it lowered. jim
I got my drivers license in 1969 and remember how strict the police and inspection garages were concerning mufflers. We would not get two blocks down the road before getting a ticket. Maybe they just stopped the hippies?

Now every garage and motorcycle shop sells loud aftermarket pipes to fashion fatality customers looking for some vanity noise to project their bad a$$ image.

I blame part of this on the plethora of customizer hot rod shows littering cable shows selling in your face screaming eagle pipes and candy apple chrome accessories. HD company even has a marketing slogan that says "Freedom isn't quiet" suggesting we would be more patriotic with louder pipes.

Big trucks with oversize styling also fall victim to the big is bad marketing of aftermarket products. The auto companies and Harley have latched on to this expendible income of guys that need to project their need to have the rest of the population share in their large living ways.

It all comes at a high cost with excessive noise and bypassed pollution systems helping to ruin the environment. Gigantic pick ups loaded down with twenty inch chrome wheels and chrome front ends that look like cow catchers. Double cab monsters cogging up the supermarket parking lot.

Fill er up!!! Hey, it's your money but it's everyone else's environment. The big and loud guys need to realize that what the the marketing machine is selling no longer appropriate for todays world.

THE RENTS JUST TOO DAM HIGH!!! DAT TRUCK IS JUST TOO DAM BIG!
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Love my 2011 Super Duty styling - art deco locomotive, goes great with my Airstream with 400 horses & 800 lbs torque with best mpg ever yet exhaust cleaner than any gas powered vehicle.

It has never been so good for those of us who require a SuperDuty or their brother & sister trucks.
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Old 06-09-2011, 10:14 PM   #22
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Bought the Tundra the other day. Its '11 2WD tow package, 5.7.

Its very powerful and engine is silky smooth. I'll save the review for another day.

Yes its tall! Never had a 2WD truck this tall. Had to order steps for the cab, some people had difficulty getting into it. Why so tall? I'll answer my own question: focus groups.. Probably the same reason the knobs for the climate control are large.

Honestly love the truck and don't want to sound like a brat. But these dumb packages and combinations of factory orders on Toyota.. I would have never picked a $450 motorized sliding rear window. For me a ridiculous waste of money. I had a manual one on the F250 and I used it about 2 times in 12 years.
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Loud bikes save lives. The louder the better.

[QUOTE=safari62;1002765]However it is too loud for everyone else.

Bro thats just it. Its too loud for you and old people. Life is not a campground. It doesnt bother a great many of us. You just keep yapping on and on about the noise pollution.

If you want the noise pollution taken care of, start some legislature that forces mfr to offer more expensive with race-quality exhaust systems from the factory as options so that we dont HAVE TO modify our vehicles just to get them to do what the mfr claim.

As for removing catalytic converters, going open header or to straight pipe on a daily driver, thats not improvement, thats idiotic.
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I currently have 4 motorcycles around my house. I got my first, for my 5th birthday. But the old louder is safer argument is complete B.S that is always thrown out to support bad behavior. The American Motorcyclist Association has gone to great lengths to disprove the myth, and has stated over and over, they do not support it.

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"The AMA believes that few other factors contribute more to misunderstanding and prejudice against the motorcycling community than excessively loud motorcycles."

I see you're in CA also, I'd rather not taunt the legislator to come up with new laws. It's always the few that have no reasonable boundary of rude or excessive behavior that ruins it for the others.
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What cracks me up - especially with the uneducated Harley Folks - they want it to SOUND good, not realizing that they require back pressure for certain performance.

Purchase pipes for performance, not noise (still love my Rineharte's, all four sets of them when propperly connected to a CVO Twin cam motor all four CVO Touring models) Yea, I used to ride ALOT...
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Since we're on bike noise-
I live on a major weekend ride route, lots of Harleys. See officer hiding doing noise check. He asks if I live in the neighborhood, and if the noise bothers me. I say noise doesn't bother me. It doesn't.

BUT: Once in a while I do get the urge to buy a Harley to experience a torquey V2. I occasionally consider a clean used fuel injected 1200 Sportster with stock exhaust and catalyst. I have ridden motorcycles well over 50K miles all over southwest. Many used Harley's I look have modified exhaust systems. I'd prefer to pull into my garage not leaving a trail of exhaust smell like a '60s car. The noise doesn't do much for me any more. Then the Harley enthusiasts (lots around here) keep telling me the Sportster is a "girls bike" or a "beginners bike." Come on its 520 pounds and all I want to do with it is an occasional sunday ride to the beach, or a trip to the hardware store. My riding days are about over. I'm not too into the Harley culture.
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the Harley enthusiasts (lots around here) keep telling me the Sportster is a "girls bike" or a "beginners bike." .
You mean Skirtster...

Half these Hog groups ride from eatery to eatery - screw'em and buy what you want!

As per trucks - again, 400 horses and 800 lbs torque, great sound but not too loud and clean exhaust, the new diesels are GREAT!
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I currently have 4 motorcycles around my house. I got my first, for my 5th birthday. But the old louder is safer argument is complete B.S that is always thrown out to support bad behavior. The American Motorcyclist Association has gone to great lengths to disprove the myth, and has stated over and over, they do not support it...
I see you're in CA also, I'd rather not taunt the legislator to come up with new laws. It's always the few that have no reasonable boundary of rude or excessive behavior that ruins it for the others.
This has never been about EXCESSIVE noise. Factory big block Corvettes are not tuned to be noisy, they just make noise. I could not give a rats ass what the AMA says about bikes making noise. Ive got 100k miles experience on road bikes loud and quiet that says quiet bikes get noticed a lot less than loud bikes.

This is 100x more true in the texting, cellphone talking society we live in now than EVER before.

On a bike its about making enough noise to be noticed, not excessive noise.

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