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Old 09-21-2008, 08:21 PM   #15
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Thanks Roger,

I will do just that. Why the dealer would sell such a heavy bar i dont know. I saw it when it was all done. I didnt even know that they would 1k bars until i took it all apart once i got home. Im sure im an owner now. The sale is over. This was not an airstream dealer. They mainly sell motorhomes and Fifth wheels. I will get this done and post the results.

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Old 09-21-2008, 08:37 PM   #16
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I don't tow with a dually, but recently while picking up our current Airstream at a dealer, I talked at length with a professional driver that transports travel trailers for a living with a Dodge Diesel dually.

I noticed he was not using an equalizer hitch, only one of the adjustable drops, and I asked him about it. His response was interesting. He told me he only used air bags to soften the rear suspension because in his words, "these travel trailers will beat you to death". He also told me he quit using weight distributing hitches after watching a trailer turn over and take the tow vehicle with it. He maintained the dually will handle any travel trailer's tongue weight without a problem, and the air bags were just to soften the ride, and with that truck, weight distribution was not needed.

This from a driver that hauls travel trailers of all sizes and types upwards of 150,000 miles a year, so I suppose he has enough experience to know what he's talking about.
Did he tell you what kind of "DRUGS" he uses when he tows?

Most ridiculous thing I have heard about towing in my 42 plus years.

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Old 09-21-2008, 08:50 PM   #17
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Old 09-21-2008, 09:53 PM   #18
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Did he tell you what kind of "DRUGS" he uses when he tows?

Most ridiculous thing I have heard about towing in my 42 plus years.

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I am confused- what is the ridiculous part? Are you saying he is on drugs because he is not using a load leveler hitch?
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Old 09-22-2008, 07:11 AM   #19
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Did he tell you what kind of "DRUGS" he uses when he tows?

Most ridiculous thing I have heard about towing in my 42 plus years.

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Andy,

I respect your opinion, and experiences, but on the other hand....do you tow travel trailers 150,000 miles every year like the professional driver I talked with??????

My point is, there are lots of opinions, and people with lots of different experinces, and I personally don't think all but one are wrong, but then again, that is just my opinion.
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Andy,

I respect your opinion, and experiences, but on the other hand....do you tow travel trailers 150,000 miles every year like the professional driver I talked with??????

My point is, there are lots of opinions, and people with lots of different experinces, and I personally don't think all but one are wrong, but then again, that is just my opinion.
How many miles a person may tow, has nothing to do with Physics.

When weight is added to the back end of the dually, some weight then is removed from the front end.

Now if you have a Peterbilt, then that's a different story.

We all know, or should know, that when you reduce the weight on the front end of a tow vehicle, huge trucks excepted, that the steering to some degree has been compromised.

Sometimes it takes years for that persons day to come, but Physics says it will.

Is it his luck, or his poor decisions that haven't caught up with him?

When you settle a claim, as I have, with a family, that had it's parents killed in a rollover, because they used that "magic truck", then perhaps you may feel differently than I.

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I would consider switching to the single wheel and tire system that replaces the dual wheels with a wider softer single.
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Vinnie,
My TV is a Chevy diesel, crew cab, long bed dually. When my truck is empty I run the tires at 60 front and 45 rear. My trailer is a lot lighter than yours but here's what I do when towing my 23'. Front 65 psi and rear 55. When I hook up my equipment trailer with skidloader and attachments on board I have the rear tires at 70-75 and front at 65 psi. There are tables available from tire manufactures and dealers that address the issue of tire pressures vs weight on them. I can't locate it but maybe someone can post that for you. Another thing I do is look at the foot print of the tread to the road surface. I take some chalk and mark my tire across the tread about two inches wide, Drive my truck a short distance and look at those marks I made on the tires. I do this as a guage to see if I'm over inflated. If it's way over inflated for the load you are carrying then the more of the chalk will remain near the edge. Under inflated and it will all be gone on the edge. I like to see some chalk on the edge after the drive but not much. Using both the chart and the chalk is how I came up with the best inflation and ride for my tow vehicle.
Now there is a product out called Sulistic shackles that are suppose to help provide a smooth ride on an empty HD truck. But, they also raise the aft end about an inch and a half when installed. My truck is high in the back now and I don't want to do add to that.
As far as air bags go, the Firestone's are to help your springs cope with more load and do not soften the ride. I have had the air bags on my old Ford but it did not make the ride softer. Most of the time I ended up with very little air in them because the more you add the stiffer the ride. I only used them when I overloaded the bed with wet
sand or dirt that was super heavy. You may be wasting your money on that type of air helper spring. As far as I am concerned, I think the dually truck is the best stable platform you can buy to tow with and once you adjust your Reese system and air pressures of your tires to match your load you will never look back. By the way, I have the Reese system and my trailer follows my truck threw turns as if it was on rails. Good luck, and enjoy your truck.
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If you were adding airbags to the rear of the truck - then why wouldn't you get rid of a few leaf springs? Pump up the airbags when your going to haul a lot of weight.
I have no experience with this system just my assumptions.
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How many miles a person may tow, has nothing to do with Physics.

When weight is added to the back end of the dually, some weight then is removed from the front end.

Now if you have a Peterbilt, then that's a different story.

We all know, or should know, that when you reduce the weight on the front end of a tow vehicle, huge trucks excepted, that the steering to some degree has been compromised.

Sometimes it takes years for that persons day to come, but Physics says it will.

Is it his luck, or his poor decisions that haven't caught up with him?

When you settle a claim, as I have, with a family, that had it's parents killed in a rollover, because they used that "magic truck", then perhaps you may feel differently than I.

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Andy,

Again, you are right. Physics don't change, and everyone knows the physics of a one ton dually truck are quite a bit different from the average family sedan, which most of the weight distribution hitches were originally designed to work with.

I know we have "discussed" this before, and here we go again....a sedan, or even an SUV, is designed to carry it's load in the middle of the vehicle between the axles, where as a truck is designed to carry it's load over the rear axle. No "magic truck", just a different designed vehicle from the frame thru the suspension, and to include the body.

Ford built a pickup in 1962, I believe it was, that had the body and bed built together as one piece like a sedan. It was a complete failure and they reverted back to the split cab and bed the next year. That was because trucks are different and loaded/used differently than sedans, and the one piece, sedan type body just did not work well on a truck.

A large trailer with a heavy tongue being pulled by a sedan without a WD hitch, I'll agree, is a disaster looking for a place to happen. However, trucks pull large heavy trailer withour WD hitches all day long, every day of the year, and there are rarely problems caused by the lack of WD hitches.

I'm not advocating that one should get out on the highway with a half ton truck towing a 34 footer without a WD hitch, but a one ton dually is not anything like a 1/2 ton, save the cab. And, I'm not even saying that one should do it, but what I'm saying is, it is done daily without incident.
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Old 09-22-2008, 01:29 PM   #25
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Diesel1.. are you afraid that the low tire pressure will heat up those tires to temps that might cause a blowout? The tongue weight on my airstream is upwards of 1200 lbs. The truck is heavy too.. i usually run 65psi in all tires as they will heat up to about 70+.

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1200 lbs sounds like a lot of tongue weight to me, is your trailer 12,000 lbs? the tongue weight should be 10-12% of total trailer weight. At the Ford Arizona Proving grounds we did duribility testing on Ford pickups. All trailer towing was done at max GVW & we used equilizer hitches. But we did not exceed 12% of the trailer weight on the tongue.10% was what we wanted. We weighed trailer, then just the tongue , and ajusted the load till we got 10% on the tongue. If you get your tongue weight right you will not be able to overcome the laws of physics and raise that 925 lb powerstoke up in the air. Unless you have a 12,000 lb Airstream.
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Hello Diesel1,

Yes.. she is a heavy girl. The slideout adds considerable weight. I was surprised as I originally thought it would be something like 800lbs but its actually upwards of 1200. The trailer has a loaded max weight of around 9200 lbs. So its not 12k lbs but feels like it when your towing. I understand your testing. I actually worked for Volvo and spent some time at APG out in Wickenburg. We put the cars through all kinds of tests towing. This truck is also heavy and long. Not only is it the diesel motor but its a crewcab. It would take some very bad things going on to get the front end of that truck up in the air. I just want to be safe, not damage all those rivets on the trailer and have trouble free towing. Maybe a few less leafs and 500lb bars? Not sure. I will have it weighed to be sure where all the weight is.

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That interesting, I worked at VAPG for the first three months of 2006. We were slow here and I got sent there.
At VAPG we were working on ride quailty for the 2008 Super duty, which is much improved over the trucks you or I have. That was accomplished in part with longer springs. Also the spring leaf varried in thickness from the end to the middle. I don't think you will accomplish much in the way of ride quilty by removing spring leaves. I think to get much noticably difference you would need new spring packs. The old F350 are just rough or choppy compared to new trucks.
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Before ya go all crazy on us,and lose the leaves out of the springs. Try the bars first. I would leave the tire pressure at 80 psi or what ever is on the sidewall of the tire. Next I would see how much weight U are transferring. You may have the chains way to tight. I have 7 links in my chains are I and using the very last one. If I go up one the ride gets so choppy you can't stay in the seat. I am think this so called dealer didn't have a clue as to how to set up this hitch. They just threw it together and sent ya down the road.
So do the little things first before ya start tearin down the truck and replacein things ya don't need.
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