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Old 04-18-2007, 04:39 AM   #29
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Ouch!
Rollovers are very rare over here. Having said that, the two I've seen were both caused by cross winds lifting a caravan and taking the TV with it. I know you're all whincing but there was no twisted aluminium, just a million pieces of plywood!
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Old 04-18-2007, 07:07 AM   #30
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I've been in the fire service since March/1978. Naturally, I've seen lots of wrecks. Pick-ups, VW's, SUV's, Corvettes, Volvos, on and on.

A couple of common denominators:
No seatbelts, or improperly worn.
Drunk. (Duh)
Modified chassis. (Jacked up, Raised, lifted - choose your term)
Too fast for conditions. (Rain, ice, curves, etc.)
Distracted by stereo/radio/cell phone
Even had one distracted by sexual activity.

Many of these are self induced, and the only people hurt are the one(s) at fault. All too often the fool takes out an innocent person just trying to make it to work to support their family. It could be you or me. I get tired of the stupidity. (Although it helps pay the check)

If everyone only took some personal responsibility....

Sorry for venting,
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Venting is good here! Thanks for the reminder.
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Old 04-18-2007, 07:44 AM   #31
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Lifted suspension, What lift?? This Is a lift, Its my Daley driver.
Thanks Goodness you're okay. I thought that your new 'Burb would have a roll bar at least (but that would raise your CG even higher). I rolled an S-10 years ago, with by belt on, and still was pretty banged up for weeks. It ended up sideways in a soy bean field ...lucky to have missed the telephone poles and having only bought a 'piece' of the farm

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Old 04-18-2007, 08:02 AM   #32
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Wasn't it a state trooper driving the governor? You would think he would have not been speeding and have made sure his passenger was belted. 92 in a 65 zone is pretty fast, hmm?
It becomes habit after a while, running from one end of your area to the other, calls are never near each other. After that, 65 seems awful slow, and are you going to tell the governor to put on his seat belt? (do you like your job?) It is unlikely, but the Governor could have unhooked his seatbelt a few moments before to retrieve a dropped cell phone, the trooper was looking at the Governor instead of the road...Just a possible scenario.
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Old 04-18-2007, 08:47 AM   #33
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the red truck looks like something a girl would drive. The macho types here on the west coast would have a cow bell hanging from the front differential ( the kind you see in the rear view mirror while driving the Lexus in front of them) and a blue sock with 2 softballs in it hanging from the rear bumper. You really need to cowboy up if you move out west
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Old 04-18-2007, 09:24 AM   #34
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the red truck looks like something a girl would drive. The macho types here on the west coast would have a cow bell hanging from the front differential ( the kind you see in the rear view mirror while driving the Lexus in front of them) and a blue sock with 2 softballs in it hanging from the rear bumper. You really need to cowboy up if you move out west
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Ya got me laughing, I tried to give you karma but couldn't, I quess I recently did.
A friend of mine lived in Pheonix in the 70's. The trend was to lift your truck as high as possible. Some of the idiots raised the 4X4 trucks so high that they had to remove the front driveline due to the radical angle in the front U-joints. Then they would often take a corner too fast and simply tip over.
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Old 04-18-2007, 09:29 AM   #35
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Old 04-18-2007, 11:49 AM   #36
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Cow Tipping? Must be a "Texas thing"...

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Kinda like cow tipping?
How to go cow tipping

Ayleen Lindahl

Introduction

Cow tipping is an art in itself. It began many years ago, when a young boy of the name of Tipper decided to make a cow more comfortable as it slept. Thinking that standing while sleeping was cruel and unusual, he set out one night to give 'ol Betsy a rest. Tragically, Tipper fell into a thick cow pie as he tried making his way back to his warm bed. He ended up going to the hospital with a severe paranoia of cows. The next day, his family had a big steak dinner.
For generations after, Texans have engaged in this heightening activity. Young children dream of it during their algebra classes, the rites to passage so close and in their reach. As the 16th birthday approaches, all your peers will gather and perform this ritual with breathless anticipation.

Supplies
  1. 2 12-packs of Beer
  2. Black clothing
  3. Boots (Around cow pastures, wear boots that can be hosed down)
  4. Wire cutters and a flashlight
  5. Your friends Dave and Jerry
Setup
  • Drive Dave and Jerry to the pasture, hand them the beer.
  • Wait ten minutes for them to finish up both packs.
  • Help Dave from truck.
  • Help Dave review his lunch.
  • Place wire cutters in back pocket, and make sure all black clothing is being worn.
  • Quietly approach fence to pasture.
  • Ask Dave for the flashlight. Run back to truck and retrieve flashlight.
  • Cut fencing and wiggle through.
  • Stay hunkered down and try not to giggle as you approach the nearest cow.
  • Beam flashlight quickly into the cow's eyes. If no reaction, you are good to go. Skip ahead to Tipping the cow.
  • If cow bucks, sending Jerry screaming like a woman back to the truck, go on to next step.
  • Run after Jerry, tumble him to ground and hold hand over his mouth.
  • Wait 20 minutes for Farmer to look out the front door and Holler at wolves.
  • Find another cow, repeating the last 5 steps until you find one sleeping.
Tipping the cow
  • Have Dave hold the bottom of cow on one side. (Bottom of the cow is right under the ribs, and on the soft part of the belly.)
  • Have Jerry beside you, with both palms against cows upper back on opposite side. (See Figure 1)
  • Count to three, and PUSH!
  • Back up quickly from the cow, as its legs will fly up toward your face.
  • Slap high fives to Jerry and shout your success.
  • Find out what whimpering sound is.
  • With Jerry's help, pull Dave out from under the cow.
  • Run from farmer. (Duck when you hear shots in the air.)
  • Jump into the truck and speed away into the night.
Congratulations

You have successfully completed your training in Cow Tipping. You are closer to being a true Texan!
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Old 04-18-2007, 01:22 PM   #37
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Thank heaven you weren't seriously hurt. I drive a full sized truck and my wife drives a full sized SUV. I have never rolled anything and hope I, nor my wife and kids, never do. But I have been t-boned by a soft drink truck and hit head-on by a full-sized coupe. Fortunately, I was a passenger on a school bus in the soft-drink truck incident...it still hurt. I was driving a Nissan coupe when hit head on by a '81 Buick Regal...that hurt a lot. That is why we drive tanks. We don't drive in excess of the speed limit but we do keep up and we don't talk on the cell phones while we drive very often and when we do it is via hands free. I take my family's safety very seriously and do what I can to protect us as best I can.

Personally, I think the moniker "SUV" was the worst marketing ploy Detroit could have ever invented. They are trucks and should be driven like trucks not sports anythings. That is why they flip.

During the Goodrich (?) tire issue a few years back, 60 Minutes did a feature story and the young man that flipped his Explorer lost his brother in the accident. Everyone in the Explorer at the time received serious injuries except an infant that was securely strapped in its car seat. The driver was questioned about his blame on Ford. It finally came out that there were five adults in the SUV and one baby. None were wearing seat belts except the baby and he just got a scratch. The brother that died was riding in the cargo section, not in a seat at all. All of the adults were over 250 LBS. And the Explorer was going 85 MPH when the tire blew and the driver lost control.

Summary: The driver was going WAY too fast. The truck was over loaded (per manufacturer's recommendations). There were too many passengers in the truck. The only fatality was from someone riding in the cargo section, not the passenger section of the vehicle. All those who were seriously injured were not wearing seat belts.

When asked if the driver felt he was in any way responsible for the accident, he said NO.
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Old 04-18-2007, 03:32 PM   #38
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Glad y'all came through that horrific crash OK. I have an old Jeep Wagoneer for hauling the trailer and getting into the backcountry, but never imagine that I'm anything like safe in it, depite it's overwhelming mass.

My daily driver is a hotrod Miata, and there have been a couple of very close calls where, had I been driving almost anything else, a bad smashup would have been inevitable, and someone likely would have died. I've also done 360s in it at over 100 MPH on the racetrack, and am pretty sure that the Jeep would have tipped over in a similar maneuver at say 30 MPH.

If you presume that everyday driving is a demolition derby, then mass generally wins. If you decide that avoiding crashes might be a good idea, agility and experience using it can save a lot of grief. I liked the old MG marketing slogan "safety fast".
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Old 04-19-2007, 09:50 AM   #39
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If you presume that everyday driving is a demolition derby, then mass generally wins. If you decide that avoiding crashes might be a good idea, agility and experience using it can save a lot of grief.
I certainly understand and appreciate your logic and don't disagree. However, with traffic in Atlanta I do presume that everyday driving is a demolition derby and I drive as safely as I can and avoid every crash by planning ahead and looking ahead. But I also presume the person in the lane next to me or driving behind me doesn't because now days 9 out or 10 times he/she is preoccupied talking on a cell phone or shouting at the car in the next lane or at their kids in the back seat or any of a number of other distractions I see. One morning I actually saw a guy with his dome light on reading a book while driving on the interstate...talk about crash avoidance, let me out of here!

Anyway, from the time I started driving some 30 years ago I was taught to drive defensively. That means I start by driving a tank under the assumption that someone else is driving a tank and he/she is probably distracted by one of the aforementioned distractions and might run into me. I keep a sharp look out for other drivers and erratic behavior and give them a wide berth when I can.

One of our local radio personalities bought a Honda Insight and made the ludicrous statement on air that he actually expected folks in SUV's to look out for his safety. To me, he needs to get his head out of the sand (and get it examined!) and realize that no one is going to be responsible for his safety and he needs to take that responsibility for himself and that may just mean putting his safety ahead of the price of a gallon of gas. I made that decision long ago.
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Wasn't it a state trooper driving the governor? You would think he would have not been speeding and have made sure his passenger was belted. 92 in a 65 zone is pretty fast, hmm?

I mean I know you have to keep up with traffic and around here they do just as Terry said, 75 no less then rush up and stop and wait, if traffic gets backed up, and with road construction around here there usually is a wait. But 92 for driving the governor seems excessive.
yes but they were late for the Imus and Rutgers apology meeting.that is why the speed.
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yes but they were late for the Imus and Rutgers apology meeting.that is why the speed.
Never made the meeting did he? I guess he's still late...
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Glad you walked away from that one...
Welcome to the rollover club. Did mine in a 69 VW...young and dumb..after working seven days of twelve hours but at the end of twenty...Mobilities were fun (USAF). VWs roll very nicely though. Did an end over end into the desert. I was smart enough to be wearing my seat belt and did a few months lecturing about seat belt safety...go figure
I now keep short road schedules and figure whatever is out there is ready to jump in front of my vehicle...works most of the time...

Ya'll buckle up and drive safe ya hear!
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