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Old 01-27-2014, 08:15 PM   #43
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Try buying enough dynoc to restore a '48 Chrysler Town & Country convertible and you'll rethink your comment on contact paper!
I retract my snobby contact paper remark. Truth be told, I'm fairly sure the "carbon fiber" on my eyeglass frames is 3M di-noc ;-)

Perhaps modern approaches have improved from the days I can remember 70s era "woody" station wagons flapping their vinyl "wood" paneling down the highway.
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Old 01-27-2014, 08:35 PM   #44
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I retract my snobby contact paper remark. Truth be told, I'm fairly sure the "carbon fiber" on my eyeglass frames is 3M di-noc ;-)

Perhaps modern approaches have improved from the days I can remember 70s era "woody" station wagons flapping their vinyl "wood" paneling down the highway.
I'm sorry, but once you have passed the Airforums imposed 30 min editing limit, it is impossible to retract a statement no matter how much you regret it. It will still be here when the Egyptian pyramids have dissolved into dust.

My other favorite forum has a much longer edit time. Perhaps you need to trade your airstream in on a Mercedes roadster. (how's that for a snobby remark).

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Ok, so tell me how bad it is that my hubby and I like this look:



Because the people on the Flex forum HATE this - I mean they really HATE it. Like they want to set fire to it...
I kinda agree with the Flex Forum people... I like it with a contrasting roof color, but I don't care for the woodgrain veneer.
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Nothing better than a station wagon for an all-purpose daily driver. Fortunately, Volvo never stopped making them. My daily driver is a '97 850 and I love this car.
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My Subaru has 4 doors and 4WD and a back that opens in the exact same manner as the Nissan Juke. Why is it not a hatchback or a SUV instead of a station wagon?

My point is: You can't compare a hatchback to a station wagon to a SUV or decide which is more popular, when the only thing that defines one from another is: "that's what the manufacturer or some auto magazine decided to call it."

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m.hony got part of it... the distance from the rear seatback to the tailgate, or perhaps from the center of the rear axle to the bumper. The other part is the angle of the tailgate/backlight. Real station wagons have a more vertical tailgate and rear window, hatchbacks have more of slope to the rear window, making them less practical from a storage standpoint, but more "sporty" looking.
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I'm sorry, but once you have passed the Airforums imposed 30 min editing limit, it is impossible to retract a statement no matter how much you regret it. It will still be here when the Egyptian pyramids have dissolved into dust.

My other favorite forum has a much longer edit time. Perhaps you need to trade your airstream in on a Mercedes roadster. (how's that for a snobby remark).

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:-)

Yeah - there's just no retracting snobby online remarks. It is what it is.

And speaking about Mercedes - how about those old turbo diesel wagons from the 70s/80s - wouldn't those be great tow vehicles?

Really do need a good, modern station wagon on the market!
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m.hony got part of it... the distance from the rear seatback to the tailgate, or perhaps from the center of the rear axle to the bumper. The other part is the angle of the tailgate/backlight. Real station wagons have a more vertical tailgate and rear window, hatchbacks have more of slope to the rear window, making them less practical from a storage standpoint, but more "sporty" looking.
Well you can just barely see part of the tailgate of the white Subaru behind the Nissan. They are not that much different. When it stops snowing, I'll take my laser level out and check them.

My whole point is that these things can't be quantified as long as the manufacturers and/or car mags can define the types anyway they wish.
That makes it difficult for one to say which type he prefers, because there is so much crossover(no pun intended). In addition, crossover, cross, SUV, hybrid, etc. are all very new terms in the auto industry. It was pretty simple 25 years ago to tell what you were looking at. It was a pickup, van, station wagon or car. What we call a SUV today would definitely have been a station wagon. As far am I'm personally concerned "hatchback is a type of door, not a type of vehicle". if everyone can make up their own definitions, so can I.

If you think I'm the only one who doesn't get it, check this link including all the warnings at the top.

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"If GM would only come out with a 57 Chevy Wagon replica, they would sell a million of them, particularly the Nomad. I am kinda partial to the 210 Beauville 9 seater. They only sold a little over 20K of them so its very hard to find."
A "nomad" with ABS, airbags and a modern tranny… My dream tow vehicle
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"If GM would only come out with a 57 Chevy Wagon replica, they would sell a million of them, particularly the Nomad. I am kinda partial to the 210 Beauville 9 seater. They only sold a little over 20K of them so its very hard to find."
A "nomad" with ABS, airbags and a modern tranny… My dream tow vehicle
It would be interesting to see what a 57 nomad wagon made to 2014 DOT safety regulations would look like. I'm guessing not too good.

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Well you can just barely see part of the tailgate of the white Subaru behind the Nissan. They are not that much different. When it stops snowing, I'll take my laser level out and check them.

My whole point is that these things can't be quantified as long as the manufacturers and/or car mags can define the types anyway they wish.
That makes it difficult for one to say which type he prefers, because there is so much crossover(no pun intended). In addition, crossover, cross, SUV, hybrid, etc. are all very new terms in the auto industry. It was pretty simple 25 years ago to tell what you were looking at. It was a pickup, van, station wagon or car. What we call a SUV today would definitely have been a station wagon. As far am I'm personally concerned "hatchback is a type of door, not a type of vehicle". if everyone can make up their own definitions, so can I.

If you think I'm the only one who doesn't get it, check this link including all the warnings at the top.

Station wagon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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I don't know what sort of Subaru is lurking behind the Nissan, but my Legacy Wagon (like an Outback with lower CG and better handling, but less ground clearance) has a much flatter roof and a more vertical backlight than a Juke.

Another difference from most hatchbacks is that a proper station wagon has a flat floor to the hatch, and most hatchbacks have a "lip" that sticks up above the bumper that you have to lift cargo over, or have your dog jump over.
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It would be interesting to see what a 57 nomad wagon made to 2014 DOT safety regulations would look like. I'm guessing not too good.

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They did a concept in 2004. Would have been sweet!

http://www.seriouswheels.com/cars/to...ad-Concept.htm
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hows this, and yes, hidden headlights make a car more captivating
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They did a concept in 2004. Would have been sweet!

2004 Chevrolet Nomad Concept
Nice looking car. You can see what the inspiration was.
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"Chevrolet designers conceived the Nomad station wagon as an upscale, suburban utility vehicle. Introduced in 1955, the Nomad was admired for its looks, but was expensive compared to other Chevrolets. While the name lived on for several years in lower-priced Chevrolet station wagons, the last Nomad built in original configuration was constructed in 1957. Considered too rare and valuable to use for utilitarian purposes today, Nomads during the mid-1950s were regularly put into service towing trailers and hauling heavy loads.

The name 'Nomad' was the special and sporty Chevy 2-door sports station wagon. 1957 was the final build year in a three year run, though the name Nomad continued but as a 4-door model from 1958 on and sold far better than in 2-door style. There were just 6,103 Nomad models built for 1957, with a total three year model build of 22,375.

Though the Chevrolet Nomad was aesthetically different from the other vehicles in the lineup, it was mechanically identical and had the same optional power plants. One of those engines was the same found in the Corvette, the 283 cubic-inch V8 that had a single Rochester four-barrel carburetor and available 220 horsepower.

The Nomad was added mid-year in 1955. Its front-end design was shared with its siblings, but from the cowl back it was different. It was also the most expensive model Chevrolet offered. It carried a sticker price of $2,571 and cost $265 more than a similarly equipped Bel Air Convertible."
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