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Old 02-04-2016, 10:25 AM   #113
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Well, in that case...I towed last summer with a non-maxtow 6.2L 8 speed Sierra double cab regular bed with a 3.23 gear and it did very well, even though I was overloaded by RGAWR, payload, and trailer weight. With your needs, it'd be great. It had 1670# payload capacity, per door label.
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Old 02-04-2016, 10:34 AM   #114
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We really don't... We have been living with 1200 pounds capacity in our F-150 and although that is close we really have no need for much more.



I'm more interested in ride quality when empty as 75% of my mileage is not towing. It is all overkill when your pulling a 16' Bambi!

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Have you looked at the new GM small diesel pickups? GMC is coming out with a Canyon in the Denali trim. With the 2.8l diesel you'll get great economy and still have 1400lbs payload and something like 7000lbs towing. I have no idea how much headroom it has but my understanding is that it's got wonderful road manners.
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Old 02-04-2016, 10:41 AM   #115
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Actually, if you fit, even the Gas Colorado/Canyon might fit your needs. My brother-in-law just got one and pulled a 7000 mile trip with a 3000# sob and gear and loves it.
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Old 02-04-2016, 10:48 AM   #116
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Actually, if you fit, even the Gas Colorado/Canyon might fit your needs. My brother-in-law just got one and pulled a 7000 mile trip with a 3000# sob and gear and loves it.

Very true.
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I am going to look at the Canyon/Colorado to see if I fit. I am also interested in the upcoming Ridgeline... Each of these should be easier to live with than the "full size" 1/2 ton truck we've had for the past 6 years.
Then again, I really like my current trucks size at times so I really have no idea how this will turn out! All I know for sure is that I will likely not purchase another Ford...
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I am going to look at the Canyon/Colorado to see if I fit. I am also interested in the upcoming Ridgeline... Each of these should be easier to live with than the "full size" 1/2 ton truck we've had for the past 6 years.
Then again, I really like my current trucks size at times so I really have no idea how this will turn out! All I know for sure is that I will likely not purchase another Ford...

Let us know what you think of the little trucks, I'm curious.
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Old 02-04-2016, 12:08 PM   #119
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The great thing about Colorado/Canyon diesel is that it comes with exhaust brake. Neither Ram Eco Diesel nor (surprisingly) Titan XD have exhaust brakes. This makes them the only non HD diesel truck that have exhaust brakes. Colorado/Canyon seem to have much more payload capacity than Ram Eco Diesel as well, whose payload is on the low side.
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Old 02-04-2016, 08:50 PM   #120
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Now I'm 3 months into a cross-country full time adventure with this truck that I started the thread. I'm pulling a Flying Cloud 27 with a total passenger weight of about 460 lbs. I really do think this is the best choice if you don't want to deal with the additional bulk of a 3/4 ton. We recently completed a 10 day loop from LA to Tucson with stops at Organ Pipe National Monument, Imperial Dunes, Catalina State Park and Anza-Borrego. For the entire trip our fuel consumption averaged 13.6 mpg, at speeds no higher than 55 (California) or 60 (elsewhere). You're not going to get that out of a 6.0 in a 3/4 ton. First, you're lugging around 1200 pounds more vehicle weight and second, the 6.0/6-speed is a much less efficient engine/drivetrain combination. Typically, the 6.2 loafs along at a quiet 1700 rpm going down the highway. The 6.0 isn't going to do that. When I test drove the 6.0, it seemed to work hard to get out of its own exhaust, even empty. If I were going to go 3/4 ton gas, I'd go for the Ram 6.4 which felt more powerful. After thousands of miles towing in all kinds of terrain, I'm perfectly happy. If I were pulling a 10,000 gross weight Classic 30, I'd probably go 3/4 ton diesel, mostly because of the superior engine braking of the diesel exhaust brake. But this combination works fine with an excellent weight distribution hitch like the ProPride. In the bed, I carry a 3kw Honda generator, a very heavy tool box, a "rug" that is too big, a trunk and a couple of duffel bags of out-of-season clothes and shoes, 2 gallons of gas, a small grill, a big bag of food for my 100 lb. dog and my portable satellite dish. So, it's full. This is a "short box," so if you got the longer standard box, you'd be able to carry more stuff. If my 3 daughters were much younger than they are, I could see having enough capacity for them and their stuff for weekend or 2-week vacation trips. OTOH, 5 in my trailer would be a little cozy.
BTW, the empty fuel mileage for the 6.2 @ 65 mph exactly duplicates my experience bringing my truck home empty from Denver at the same speed.
Well, I've come full circle and revisited this thread after seeing the article about how the Sierra won the 1/2 ton truck towing contest. Just re-read the whole thing. Tonight, this feels like the right way to go. I'm sure I'll change my mind in the morning...

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This morning, I drove a 2016 Sierra SLT Crew Cab (short bed) pickup with the 6.2L engine, 8L80 transmission and the Max Tow Package. I was blown away by the performance, ride and handling. Forward and side visibility are excellent and the tow mirrors are exceptional. Also, in monitoring the instantaneous MPG in steady-state driving at 60 MPG, it appears to exceed that of my Jeep Grand Cherokee (which also has a V8, 5.7L Hemi with cylinder deactivation and VVT). Unless GM comes out with a 2500 Suburban/Yukon XL for 2017, I know what I want as my next vehicle.
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This morning, I drove a 2016 Sierra SLT Crew Cab (short bed) pickup with the 6.2L engine, 8L80 transmission and the Max Tow Package. I was blown away by the performance, ride and handling. Forward and side visibility are excellent and the tow mirrors are exceptional. Also, in monitoring the instantaneous MPG in steady-state driving at 60 MPG, it appears to exceed that of my Jeep Grand Cherokee (which also has a V8, 5.7L Hemi with cylinder deactivation and VVT). Unless GM comes out with a 2500 Suburban/Yukon XL for 2017, I know what I want as my next vehicle.
I'm feeling the same way. I'm considering a used 2010 C2500 Suburban but it only has the 6.0L. The crew cab truck with short box and topper might be the way to go.

So when I start looking for a used vehicle... What year did Chevrolet and GMC start offering 1500, 6.2L, 8-speed, maximum towing packages?
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I'm feeling the same way. I'm considering a used 2010 C2500 Suburban but it only has the 6.0L. The crew cab truck with short box and topper might be the way to go.

So when I start looking for a used vehicle... What year did Chevrolet and GMC start offering 1500, 6.2L, 8-speed, maximum towing packages?
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Old 02-07-2016, 02:34 AM   #124
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Hello folks,
Would like to chime back in on this thread. As I had stated back earlier last year, I was really growing tired of living with my 15' Duramax Chevy, along with having found out about the 6.2 tow-max package GM had in limited quantities.Here's what my thoughts are at this point.
In my mind, unless you're going to use the additional weight carrying the 2500 series offers at least 80% of the time, it's now the wrong vehicle. GM clearly cut some major corners by not building with a similar rack and pinion steering the 1500s have. The recirculating ball type on the bigger truck is way to vague. We have rutted roads, and any lane changes over 60mph were white knuckle. I did lower tire pressure, but still no where as good as the smaller 1500s. And as other folks have mentioned, you do feel the extra weight the 2500 package has.
Also the torsion bar front suspension is not as compliant as the coils on Dodge or Ford…Putting anything up in the bed was a joke as well. As I stated the only time that truck even began to be useful was when I had my trailer attached and 400lbs of gear in the bed. Even then, climbing up and out of the bed was uncomfortably hard.
I did wind up stumbling onto a left-over 15' GMC crew cab with the 6.2 and 8speed. Luckily there were several rebates I was able to use to offset the near 58 thousand sticker price.
I haven't looked back!! The 6.2 gets great gas mileage, is a hoot to drive, and is perhaps the smoothest vehicle I've ever been in. Better than my wife's Acura TL.
If you can afford the silly asking price, they are the way to go.
Hope this helps with some of you who are considering going up to a 2500. If you feel you absolutely need to go with the bigger series, I wouldn't go with GM….
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Unless GM comes out with a 2500 Suburban/Yukon XL for 2017, I know what I want as my next vehicle.

If you would prefer a full size SUV over a Pick-Up take a look at the Ford Expedition EL. They are a very good tow vehicle and I would select it even if they built a 2500 Suburban. The big advantage it has over a Sub is the independent rear suspension. It gives it a better ride and more stability at the same time. The suspension is very robust as long as you set the hitch up properly there won't be any payload issues that matter.

Having a solid body structure from front to rear eliminates all the chassis flex you get in a Pickup.

The biggest downside to it used to be the dated 5.4 engine but now it has the 3.5 Echoboost with a 6 speed transmission. Next year it should get the new 10 speed.

I hope this helps.
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Regarding when GM offered the drivetrain under discussion, it was 2015 as another post said.
With the exception of the 8-speed, everything else was first available in 2014. However, the 8-speed contributes a lot to the value of this whole package. The 6-speed offered in 2014 with the 6.2 and 5.3 engine has poorly chosen gear ratios. The Fast Lane Truck boys showed just how bad this was when they ran a 2014 6.2 liter up the "Ike Gauntlet" pulling 10,000 lbs. So, if it was me shopping for a used 2014, I'd choose the Ecoboost F150 over the Chevy/GMC 6.2 unless I absolutely needed the extra 200 or so pounds of payload offered by the Chevy/GMC. For a used 2015, I'd make the opposite choice.
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