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Old 03-08-2016, 11:21 AM   #141
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A few questions for those who know the options and packages available...

1) I want the front "bench" seat. I think it may be 40/20/40 or 60/40 - either is fine with me but I want to comfortably carry 6 people (including the driver) with a crew cab. Reading the options/packages for the LTZ and the SLT it appears the "bench" seat is available but the vehicles I see on the dealer lots all have front bucket seats. Am I overlooking something? I suspect I can order the vehicle with the "bench" configuration. Am I correct?

2) Tow mirrors. I am not necessarily a fan of the Chevrolet/GMC tow mirrors. As odd as it may sound, I prefer a CIPA slip-on mirror instead of towing mirrors. Do all 1500 LTZ/SLT, max towing vehicles come with tow mirrors? Is the answer the same for 2015 and 2016 model years.

3) Related to number 2... If I see LTZ/SLT vehicles on dealer lot with tow mirrors does that automatically mean the vehicle has the max towing package? If so, that makes it easier to browse around on dealer lots without the need to look at every window sticker.

4) Also related to number 2... I'm looking around on used vehicle web sites but many of them refer to having a tow hitch and 7-pin connector but I've not seen any web sites that specifically refer to used Chevrolet and GMC vehicles with the max towing package. So, if I see trucks on used car web sites with the towing mirrors am I assured of identifying a vehicle with the max towing package?

5) Which digit on the VIN identifies the max towing package or do I have to cross reference the VIN to a build sheet to see if a vehicle has the max towing package? If the VIN does have a tow package digit what should I look for - that is, which code represents max towing package?

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Study the product brochure details you posted on the previous page for the answers. Here's my take on your questions
1. You can order the front bench seat or bucket seats with the Max Tow package.
2. The GM towing mirrors are part of the required deal. They are excellent mirrors.
3. If you see a 1500 series truck with the GM towing mirrors there's a fair chance that the vehicle has the max tow package. However, these trucks are really rare in a 2014 or 2015 model. Almost all of the trucks that you'll see on a dealer's lot with tow mirrors are a 2500 or 3500 series truck.
4. Towing mirrors are available separately, so they do not guarantee the max tow package in any way. There are probably fewer than 50 1500 series trucks with the 6.2L engine and max tow package at all GM dealerships (all Chevy and GMC) in the US right now. These are really rare and generally you'll have to order a new one if you are particular about colors and options.
5. There is no digit/character in the VIN that specifies the Max Tow Package. There will be a letter for the 6.2L engine.

I hope that this helps. All 5.3 and 6.2 Liter trucks with the max tow package will have a max gross vehicle weight rating (MGVW) of 7,600 pounds, but that doesn't really help very much in finding one. Out of about five fairly large Chevy and GMC dealerships in Wichita, KS, there's only one of these trucks presently in stock.

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Old 03-12-2016, 08:28 PM   #143
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Not all 6.2s are maxtow. Look for option code NHT on the SPID label for used vehicles. It'll be on the window sticker for new.
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Old 03-12-2016, 08:35 PM   #144
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Old 03-12-2016, 08:48 PM   #145
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When I decided to buy a 2015 at black Friday sale time, there were 6 units in a 300 mile RADIUS of Chicago.
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Old 03-12-2016, 09:38 PM   #146
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I "chatted" with an online GM rep recently and was able to locate three (two Silverado and one Sierra) 1500, 6.2L, max trailering, front bench seat trucks but not in my metro area. We had to extend the search to 1000 miles! Of course, my front bench seat criteria makes my chances very unlikely of finding "my" truck on a dealer lot.

I'm learning more and spending time understanding the options list I posted previously. I'm also finding that most salesmen are not as in tune with their products as I would like them to be. One salesman told me all trucks with LTZ or SLT automatically come with a center console - that is bucket seats. He also told me the tow mirrors only come with max trailering package. I suspected that was not true based on the options matrix but that's why I posed the questions here.
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They do "automatically " come with buckets....that's standard....or automatic in the order process. They have to "force" the bench option, which will also drive other content changes.
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Old 03-13-2016, 06:53 AM   #148
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There is also more than one trailer mirror. One is manual and all black. The optional is chrome and black, power folding, has turn signal lighting in the housing and glass, and most cool, is the led backup spot lights.
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Old 03-18-2016, 04:34 PM   #149
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I'm giving some serious consideration to buying one of these trucks. As I mentioned above, I had an online chat with a Chevrolet/GMC rep and he helped me identify three trucks within 1000 miles (yes, we had to go that far) that might be suitable.

From there I contacted the internet sales agent at the dealer that has a truck with suitable exterior and interior color and I'm working on details to understand their selling price.

Right now I tow with a 1996 C2500, 7.4L Suburban or a 2005 K2500, 8.1L Suburban. Both vehicles are excellent towing machines when it comes to pulling our ~8000 LB trailer.

So my question for folks on this thread, particularly those that own the 6.2L, 8-speed max trailering Silverado/Sierra....

Will I be happy with the torque and horsepower of the 6.2L? The last thing I want to do is spend this amount of $ and be unhappy when I go up a hill or enter a freeway on-ramp.

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Yes, you will find it outperforms both of your current vehicles
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Will I be happy with the torque and horsepower of the 6.2L? The last thing I want to do is spend this amount of $ and be unhappy when I go up a hill or enter a freeway on-ramp.

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I agree with Rich. The engine will absolutely outperform either the 7.4 or the 8.1 engine except for some small loss in low end torque. However, going from a 4 speed 4L80E to an 8L80 transmission is a huge advantage. The combination of the two (L86 engine with variable valve timing, direct injection and cylinder deactivation plus the really seamless 8 speed transmission) are a phenomenal improvement. You'll have more usable power and improved fuel economy. There's almost no comparison.

I've driven all of these vehicles and I used to be a diesel truck mechanic who became an engineer in time (albeit in aviation electronics). Some of the safety features in the K2XX (2014 and after) GM trucks are really impressive too. My expectation is that this truck will do a great job of towing my 34 foot Airstream.

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Yes, the low 1, 2 and 3rd gears make a huge difference in low speed grunt work.
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Will I be happy with the torque and horsepower of the 6.2L? The last thing I want to do is spend this amount of $ and be unhappy when I go up a hill or enter a freeway on-ramp.

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A few years back I was in a similar situation as you, trying to find a truck with the "max" package. With GM's help I was able to find a truck with the exact setup I wanted. Only problem; the truck was in St Louis and I am in NC. I flew out there, bought that truck. The 6.2 engine was the strongest 1500 I have ever driven. You will be happy with the way it tows/pulls. With all that torque the only problem is keeping the rear tires from breaking traction.

I wrecked that truck then bought a new 1500 without the "max" package. I was not happy. So I ordered a new one with the "max" package with the 5.3. Either engines are great!
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After nearly a year of looking I found and bought a GMC Sierra 1500 SLT crew cab with the hard to find 420 hp 6.2 liter engine and Max tow package. This is a report on using it to pull my Flying Cloud 27, with a Pro Pride hitch. This truck, per the door sticker, has a rated cargo capacity of 1960 lbs. In my shopping, I was not able to find a 1/2 ton crew cab --other than this -- with more than 1730 lbs. capacity per the door sticker. The new F-150 promises over 2,000 lbs. with the max payload package, but that sticks you with the standard 20 gallon fuel tank (!) and Ford isn't making these until the fall. I've taken this combination through some of the Appalachians and on Skyline Drive/Blue Ridge Parkway. Respecting the limits of the OEM Goodyear Marathon tires on the trailer, I drive at 60 or the posted limit, whichever is lower (or as, in my judgment, conditions require). The engine easily pulled the grades I encountered, never going much over 3,000 rpm. I got 12-13 mpg on this part of the trip. The 8-speed transmission will downshift automatically to provide engine braking, even without engaging the cruise control (which down shifts more aggressively). Or you can change to manual mode and control the transmission yourself. Either way, the shifts are smooth and gentle. Most of the grades I encountered were curvy, so I was usually descending somewhat slower than the posted limit, and I slowed the rig to the posted "maximum safe speed" before entering a curve. This felt completely comfortable and drama-free. I used the brakes on descents, but never got them hot enough to smell. We were carrying a total of about 470 lbs of passengers (human and canine) and a modest amount of stuff in the bed (no generators). Other than the high price of required premium gasoline (usually 10-15 cents more than diesel), I have no complaints about the drivetrain; and observed fuel economy was 2-3 more mpg than I expected. This engine has variable displacement, and is very quick to shift to 4-cyl. mode. The suspension is a little underdamped, something that is apparent even when the truck is empty. An insufficient tension on the WD bars can produce an excessively bouncy ride on some roads; adjustment clears this up almost completely. So, if you are like my wife and I and are not thrilled with driving around a 3/4 ton (and you definitely feel the 1500-2000 lbs. additional weight driving these trucks) I think this truck is a good 1/2 ton alternative that provides a substantial cargo capacity almost equal to a lot of 3/4 tons, at least for use east of the Rockies. You will just have to look really hard to find it. Without the max tow package, this truck will have a cargo capacity of around 1500 lbs. This truck has extendable trailer tow mirrors and integrated trailer brake controller. The Max tow package includes a different rear axle and spring set up. I think the tow rating is something like 11,000 lbs. I think if I had a 30-foot trailer, I'd go for the 3/4 ton with a diesel. IIRC, the GVWR for the 30 Classic is 10,000 lbs. vs. 7600 lbs. for my trailer.
I had the 6.2 in my Yukon and towed my 25 in the mountains of NC and WVA. It did great till 110,000 miles and the engine had a major internal problem that required rebuilding. I immediately traded it for a Diesel. I have since been told the 6.2 is not a great engine for heavy duty towing. The 6.0 is more of a truck engine and handles the load of towing better. I am sure the eight speed transmission was better than my five in the 2010. I got 8 to 9 MPG and the mountains of WVA will separate the good tow vehicles from the not so good ones. I recommend the GMC diesel highly!
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