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Old 03-05-2008, 09:38 AM   #85
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A used Cummins is always nice on the wallet. Mine was less than half the price of new at three years old.

And a 1/2-ton may be fine for up to 7,000# and non-fulltiming.

Fuel cost: My '01 1/2-ton got 11 mpg around town. My '04 CTD gets 19, but we'll call it 17.

Gas: 1,000 miles driving at 11 mpg = 91 gallons. At a reduced local price of $3.00/gl = $273

Diesel: 1,000 miles at 17 mpg = 59 gallons. At an INFLATED local price of $3.60/gallon = $$212

In fact I get 19 locally ($183 actual)

The more powerful determinant ought to be percentage towing miles versus solo miles if it is a question of $$.

This 3/4T longbed is a pain to park and rides/handles poorly (no different from the other brands). Other than that, torque and fuel economy are hard to beat.

A diesel half-ton will make this sort of argument a LOT more interesting.
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Old 03-05-2008, 10:17 AM   #86
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Any idea if the 250/2500 models were gas or diesel? Th weight of a diesel would add to the additional weight of the HD models and such could increase the stopping distance. It would be interesting to see the difference between gas and diesel. The 15/1500 numbers are equal, but the 250/2500 numbers make me wonder if the test was apples to apples?
It appears the Dodge Hemi 1500 was compared to the 6.7 Cummins, 2500. Both averaged 13MPG in their tests.

The Ford F150 was a gas engine and the F250 had the 6.4 turbo diesel V8 which got 10MPG in their tests compared with 13 for the gasser 150.

The Chev 2500HD tested was a 6.6 turbo diesel and their comments were that "these HD versions were designed for towing and hauling, not ride, comfort, and handling response. The 1500 averaged 14mpg and the diesel 13 mpg.

Again, interesting stats.
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Old 03-05-2008, 10:45 AM   #87
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Rednax, I was thinking of a similar analysis on a ski trip last weekend.

Unloaded Highway
A tank of diesel, on the high way gets me about 400 miles @ $3.70/gal= $96.20/tank or $96.20/400 miles.

A tank of gas with the Suburban, on the high way got me about 400 miles @ $3.00/gal= $105.00/tank or $105.00/400 miles.

Unloaded In-town
A tank of diesel, in-town gets me about 315 miles @ $3.70/gal= $96.20/tank or $96.20/315 miles.

A tank of gas with the Suburban, in-town got me about 315 miles @ $3.00/gal= $105.00/tank or $105.00/315 miles.

Towing
A tank of diesel, towing gets me about 315 miles (26 gals) @= $96.20/tank or $96.20/315 miles.

A tank of gas with the Suburban, towing got me about 250 miles @ $3.00/gal= $105.00/tank or $105.00/250 miles.

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I never run the tank to “empty” so neither case represents a “full” tank of fuel (26 gals for the diesel truck, 35 gals for the ½ ton Suburban. i.e. Don’t confuse this analysis with mpg). A “tank is being defined as the point where I typically stop to fill up, I always tank up when I get under ¼. The mileage figures per tank ARE accurate. I am totally anal about setting the odo and re-fueling based on those miles.

Even at the high cost of diesel today (I am sure it is related to heating season and will come down soon) I am still ahead of the fuel cost/mile game driving the diesel, only slightly in day to day driving (8%) , but dramatically (43%) when towing.. I am not saying one is better than the other, but these are real costs, based on my experience for anyone considering a new TV today and concerned about real world fuel costs.


And there is no question which one I would rather tow with.



Yeah, diesel 1/2 tons will certainly change a lot of these discussions!

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Old 03-05-2008, 02:03 PM   #88
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Towing with 04 D/A

Bill, I've had 4 years towing with my 3/4T with a 31 Ft, 10K AS in tow. And the only draw back I've discovered, was the fact that I forgot I was towning something until I had to stop. Then I found disc brakes for the AS and now I don't have to remember the 10K behind me, cus the AS now stops me. Just towing and dreaming! After all the trucks and trailers I've towed over the last 20 years, this one is a dream team. Diesel/AS

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Old 03-05-2008, 03:32 PM   #89
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Side note: A lot of mechanics will tell you not to let your tank get less than 1/4, the in tank fuel pumps need the fuel for cooling. Run close to empty, fill up, truck won't start at the pump. Ka-ching later, new fuel pump. Been there, several times. $300 to install the fuel pump, and they have to drop the full tank of gas.
Really craps out your dollars per mile.
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This makes sense why it takes longer to come to a stop...thanks for posting this.

I have heard the same rumor on the fuel pumps letting the tank run low.
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Old 03-05-2008, 07:09 PM   #91
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Yeah, particularly with a diesel-you don't want to run out of fuel. This would mean having to prime your pump-filter, etc. It can be done, but it makes for a lengthy pit stop.
That's one reason I am so anal about setting my odo and refueling at 1/4 tank.

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BillTex,

Original Post, Amen brother!

34' w/ 3/4 Dodge Diesel, started with 1/2 ton and had one of those worst mile of my life experiences.

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Original Post, Amen brother!

34' w/ 3/4 Dodge Diesel, started with 1/2 ton and had one of those worst mile of my life experiences.

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That is how many of us came to own 3/4 ton trucks...experience!

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