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Old 08-24-2009, 09:22 AM   #15
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I've heard that said before and I wonder what percentage of the money actually goes to support US labor and how much goes back to the fatherland in the form of profits every year?
Well, if folks cared about the nationality of the profit makers, they would have to re-investigate carefully their "nameless" stock portfolios--mutual funds and such--with the end result being that they are making profit from numerous foreign companies, and numerous foreign investors are profiting by owning our companies, or owning large portfolios that include our companies. But I don't invest. If I did, I'd have to find out which foreign companies abuse child laborers and so forth, since I wouldn't want to profit from that. Thus who makes the profit is too complicated.

As for the cars: "Five of the top 10 cars on the cars.com list are Japanese nameplates - four Toyotas and one Honda. Or that three of the domestic U.S. models on the list are trucks. Of the Top 10 vehicles on the list, the only U.S. nameplate passenger cars on the list are the Chevy Malibu, made in Kansas City, and the Ford Taurus, made in Chicago." Toyota Tundra is among the top 10, made in San Antonio. Only one GMC, one Chevrolet, and one Ford rank in the top 10. Tundra is more "American made" than Dodge Ram (and all the other trucks GMC and Ford make). I suspect that given the layoffs and sales force reductions, foreign/American auto companies actually have more Americans on the payrolls. Be interesting to find out (but not on this forum).
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Old 08-24-2009, 11:10 AM   #16
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Most of the best-selling Japanese-branded sedans and pickups are assembled in factories in North America using the parts sourced in America. Keep in mind that only the niche (i.e. Toyota FJ, Mazda Miata) or luxury cars (i.e. every Lexus) are today actually made in Japan and shipped to US...

By buying a Japanese vehicle, your money goes to Toyota/Denso/Firestone(=Bridgestone) factories located somewhere in Midwestern US. On the other hand, by buying a American vehicle, the money goes to GM/Delphi/Goodyear factories somewhere in or vicinity of Michigan.

So, buying a Toyota would mostly mean supporting US economy.
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The profit margin for $20,000 (a competitive segment) vehicle is typically only several hundreds of dollars for automakers. SUVs and trucks (>$20K price), perhaps, rake in a few thousands at most.

The profit (say 5% of your money) is repatriated back to Japan.
Cost (95% of your money) = American labor + Parts made in US + R&D (My wild guess is perhaps a half is spent in US, and the other half spent in Japan)

The profit + the portion of R&D = the money going to Japan.
My guess is this only amounts to less than 10% of the total price you paid.
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I'm surprised at these profit numbers as I thought they would be a lot higher.
I actually thought that those companies were getting rich by selling their cars in the US market.
Thanks for the comments.
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TV weight ratings should line up reasonably with TT weight ratings.
An fully independent suspension TV is preferred for stability solo or towing.

The default choice is always a half-ton pickup truck.
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Old 08-27-2009, 11:39 AM   #20
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I have a 68 Tradewind and tow with a Explorer Sporttrac with the 4.6 liter engine. It has the 18 inch wheels and all the bells and whistles. I have towed the trailer to the Canadian border without a problem. It will of course slow down while going up big grades but that is not a problem. It will tow going 70 very easily. The usual gas mileage is 10 and of course sometimes better and sometimes worse. Very easy vehicle to get around in, this is very much like the Tundra. Looks as though your getting many replies. I hope this helps.
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Old 09-01-2009, 01:50 PM   #21
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Hi guys

I am really itching to buy a 23 ft Flying cloud.
but my tow vehicle is a 2008 toyota fj cruiser...with towing capacity of 5000lbs

am i crazy to try pulling a 23 ft?
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Old 09-01-2009, 03:33 PM   #22
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Whats the tow/hitch weight ratings on your truck, and what are the weight and tongue weight rating of the trailer? simple as that. mostly.

in my dim view of it, as long as the numbers for the trailer are smaller then the numbers for the truck.. it's what you are comfortable with. (BTW, the GVWR of a 23' FC is 6000lbs, to heavy for the FJ)

Now, does that mean I won't pass just such a rig on the way to dinner tonight? Not really. Someone out there is probably doing it. I wouldn't. A 19', maybe. With proper hitch, and not towing at 75mph.
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Thanks Dakotas dad

im pretty depressed now haha

is that a ford expedition you are towing tha big 31 with? it looks like a explorer in the pic..guess its just too small to see

i was thinking I might could add a supercharger to my FJ and be ok..
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in this video its a small SUV with great power...
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so i guess i am hoping to do that.
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Old 09-02-2009, 01:20 AM   #24
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Thanks Dakotas dad

im pretty depressed now haha

is that a ford expedition you are towing tha big 31 with? it looks like a explorer in the pic..guess its just too small to see

i was thinking I might could add a supercharger to my FJ and be ok..
Toyota FJ Cruiser TRD Intercooled Supercharger Package - Product Spotlight - Truck Trend

in this video its a small SUV with great power...
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so i guess i am hoping to do that.
Hi, I don't believe that a supercharger will change your tow rating.
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Old 09-02-2009, 08:13 AM   #25
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Thanks Dakotas dad

im pretty depressed now haha

is that a ford expedition you are towing tha big 31 with? it looks like a explorer in the pic..guess its just too small to see

i was thinking I might could add a supercharger to my FJ and be ok..
Toyota FJ Cruiser TRD Intercooled Supercharger Package - Product Spotlight - Truck Trend

in this video its a small SUV with great power...
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so i guess i am hoping to do that.

Yes, that's the Expedition. (if you click on the pic it will expand) It's a vintage 31 footer, which means it's lighter then a new AS of the same length. It's GVWR is within a few pounds of a new AS's empty weight at that length.

Towing is not just about horsepower and torque. If it was, then a Shelby KR 500 would be my TV..

Your frame and suspension is what the engineers use to determine the tow rating of the vehicle.

Your video link with the Porsche TV is (I think) a 19' Flying Cloud AS. It's GVWR is 4500lbs, And they state it's empty. So pretty low tow weight, undoubtedly within the specs for that TV, and in fact within the specs for your FJ. The supercharger package from TRD has it's peak horsepower and torque up at almost 4k rpm..Not much use for towing.

The steepest grades we have pulled were coming across the Missouri Breaks and thru the Hoosier National forest, not the rockies or sierras by any means, but short and steep, with many 18 wheelers down into the 35-40mph range, we were able to hold steady at our cruise setting, (62mph, or 100kph for our Canadian readers) the tranny shifted down to 3rd, and we topped at about 2400 rpm. We will probably do Monteagle in the spring, and that's one of the hardest pulls around our neck of the woods, so we will see how it does down there.
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I've heard that said before and I wonder what percentage of the money actually goes to support US labor and how much goes back to the fatherland in the form of profits every year?
Really, not all that much. On even the "richest" profit vehicles, like full-sized SUVs, car companies are doing well to make 10% profit on a vehicle.

I think it's often forgotten that, for the typical foreign-badged vehicle built here, the majority of their components are built in supplier factories here as well. (A Tundra has 80% US/Canada content.) Plus you're supporting the folks who work at your local dealership, regardless of the name on the sign out front.

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im pretty sure that trailer is bigger than 19'
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no 19' has 4 wheels right?
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I pull mine with a 2001 dodge ram 2500 diesel. I get more compliments on this truck the older it gets. I think its a terrific vehicle, and I made the transmission that goes into it. With my paycheck I bet that I have helped support your profession at one time. So yes its American made, yes I am an American.
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