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Old 04-19-2015, 09:40 AM   #15
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The Bambi will Bully the Rav
I concur with Dave
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Old 04-19-2015, 09:54 AM   #16
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I wasn't going to venture beyond your request for information on mirrors but since the thread has morphed into comment on RAV4 towing capability I'll add my own two cents.

The RAV4 (along with every other tow vehicle that is being used at or near its towing capacity) is, at best, a marginal tow vehicle.

That does not mean to say it cannot work.

The folks at CAN AM RV are experts at marrying marginal tow vehicles with trailers that weigh as much or more than they do. Give them a call.

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Old 04-19-2015, 10:46 AM   #17
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The problem with the Subaru is it is to low. The trailer a frame must be parallel with the ground when towing. You can get away with a little to high, but to low even a little bit and your asking for trouble. Towing nose down can put excessive weight on the rear axle of the tow vehicle when going down hill or breaking. It will also unload weight on the tow vehicle steer axle and the trailer axle making the trailer and tow vehicle highly unstable.
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Old 04-19-2015, 12:15 PM   #18
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Wife has a Venza, larger than a rav4, I wouldn't even think about pulling my boat with it, ,let alone a 16' Bambi as the tail would be bigger than the dog....
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Old 04-19-2015, 12:33 PM   #19
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"Tail would be bigger than the dog". I have been trying to find the relevancy of this statement. I think it is a myth. If one looks at the tow rating of just about every truck, the tow rating exceeds the weight of the truck. What am I missing here? For example, a Ram 1500 has a tow rating as low as 4600 lbs and a Ram 3500 can have a tow rating as high as 29,170 lbs. Jim


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Old 04-19-2015, 04:25 PM   #20
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We are very close to buying the 16. I'm afraid the mirrors on out little SUV won't be sufficient enough. How can you see back and around the trailer. How does is all work out. Has anyone towed the 16 with a Rav? We have a V6 engine and tow package.
Your Rav4 is the same weight as our car and you have more payload capacity. Loaded and ready for travel the Rav4 would weigh 4,500lbs. Not as light as many folks think!

Although not identical vehicles and perhaps not an apples to apples comparison we are towing a 23' and it works great. You do need to concentrate on the connection. The details in getting it right are directly related as to how well your combination will work and handle.

When your trailer brakes are working and adjusted properly there is no additional strain or stress on the car brakes.

I like the idea of having a towing specialist oversee the set up.
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Old 04-19-2015, 05:47 PM   #21
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Can you tell us more about how it was connected please. WDH? sway control?

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I had WDH and a friction sway control. I was only traveling 50 mph in a 70 zone. Luckily there were no other cars or trucks on the road that Sunday afternoon. The problem was brakes. Subaru only gives you a four wire connector. I added a seven pin and wired it thought a converter box to my brake controller. I took it to an RV dealer to verify my wiring. I specifically asked him do I have brakes. His answer was yes.

After the wreck. I though about it. He thought I was asking about lights.

I was asking about trailer brakes.

But, the bottom line was a heavier vehicle with some horsepower could have controlled it. The vehicle and the trailer had similar weights.

When the trailer is passing you or when there's sway, don't brake. It's very hard to do.

Hit the gas and get back in front where you belong. And grab a big hand full of trailer brake to snap it back in line. If you have them. Again hard to do.

Because you want to control it and everything you were taught is slow down.
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The very first safety consideration that I complete while still in the yard prior to going on the street is the verification that not only are all vehicle and trailer lights functioning correctly, but I also confirm through the application of the manual brake control switch, that the trailer brakes are functioning correctly. I actually test the systems constantly while under way since I once had the umbilical cord come out and that left me with no lights and no trailer brakes. I have never had a sway issue but know that in the event sway should ever start that one would slow down firstly by the correct application of the trailer brakes. I also try to refrain from applying vehicle brakes in a curve by slowing down well before the apex of a curve and if brakes become necessary in the curve, again, trailer brakes first but not aggressively. Since in most cases the trailer is heavier than the tow vehicle, you never want to create a situation where the trailer is the boss. Watch the pros with the big trucks, they never drive like they have a nimble sports car. (OK, almost never). My Dad had some sound advice for me when he was teaching me how to drive and that was to drive as if there was an egg between my foot and both the gas and brake peddle. Saved me a lot of money, that advice, and also wear and tear on my nervous system. Jim


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Old 04-19-2015, 09:38 PM   #23
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For 2013 MY Toyota seems to have taken away the V6 on the RAV.

The new I4 is pretty marginal for what you want to do IMO, especially given weight gain of the RAV at the MY refresh. In 4WD configutation you can add drivetrain losses to that !

I hate toyota but have to give the RAV credit.

I've had family members drive the V6 Rav as a daily and it's a great great engine, sorry to see it go at end of lease, because of the small size, with the 260HP/240lbs, the V6 goes like stink and seemed to sip fuel lower than the claimed figures. (like the same as a high output or turbo I4).

It's an SUV with a higher CG, but If you can get the vehicle dynamics with a GOOD WDH, and maybe shorter tires down,live with the gearing, it might work great.

There's a video showing a large 40 foot box trailer flipping behind a 3500RAM or something that may be posted here by the Truckcrowd that for some reason "proves" why you shouldn't tow with cars or such. Wait for it.
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Old 04-19-2015, 09:45 PM   #24
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Can you tell us more about how it was connected please. WDH? sway control?

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I had WDH and a friction sway control. I was only traveling 50 mph in a 70 zone. Luckily there were no other cars or trucks on the road that Sunday afternoon. The problem was brakes. Subaru only gives you a four wire connector. I added a seven pin and wired it thought a converter box to my brake controller. I took it to an RV dealer to verify my wiring. I specifically asked him do I have brakes. His answer was yes.

After the wreck. I though about it. He thought I was asking about lights.

I was asking about trailer brakes.

But, the bottom line was a heavier vehicle with some horsepower could have controlled it. The vehicle and the trailer had similar weights.

When the trailer is passing you or when there's sway, don't brake. It's very hard to do.

Hit the gas and get back in front where you belong. And grab a big hand full of trailer brake to snap it back in line. If you have them. Again hard to do.

Because you want to control it and everything you were taught is slow down.
>When the trailer is passing you or when there's sway, don't brake. It's very >hard to do.

>Hit the gas and get back in front where you belong. And grab a big hand full >of trailer brake to snap it back in line. If you have them. Again hard to do.

this is good info and even if you know it already should remind ourselves, along with checking brakes regularly.

possibly a situation where momentum of a heavier TV is a plus

like the drivers who panic when one wheel goes onto a gravel shoulder, brake and lose control, attentiveness and good training/habits matter
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First thing I do when I get out of the driveway is get up to about twenty miles per hour and manually apply the trailer brakes to be sure they are working. This is a must do as well as making sure your hitch and coupling is intact. Peace,jim
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How do you determine that the trailer brakes are working?
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Using the manual control on your brake controller. Slide it and you should be able to feel the brakes on the trailer pull the tow vehicle back. Very noticible. Peace,jim
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Personally I'm not squeemish about towing over my TV's towing limit as I do now, but I wouldn't relish towing even a 16 footer with a RAV4. It may have the same towing capacity as a minivan, but the RAV4 is, more or less, just a glorified Corolla with a higher centre of gravity...not a good combo IMO.
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