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Old 07-16-2014, 07:51 PM   #1
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RAM adopting J2807 for 2015

RAM is all in with J2807 for 2015 models.

2015 Ram 1500, 2500, and 3500 Adopt SAE J2807 Ratings

Ram goes all-in on SAE J2807 tow ratings [w/video] - Autoblog

Ram announces SAE tow ratings for 2015 pickups | New and Used Car Reviews, Research & Automotive-Industry News & LeftLaneNews

Not much changed in ratings, however. Kind of makes you think they have been using the J2807 for a while "unofficially".

What do y'all think?
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Sounds like a good thing to me. Now all manufacturers need to start rating all vehicles by the J2807 standard that are capable of towing anything. It would at a minimum instill some confidence in selecting a tow vehicle other than "my brother-in-law's best friend tows with one".
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I know GM has been very quietly phasing in all the SUVs, Crossovers, and cars, as new, redesigned models have come out. I am unclear which are and aren't in the carlines, but all 1500s for 2014 and 2015, all the full size SUVs for 2015 are J2807. I suspect the HDs won't be until Ford revamps the 250s and 350s. Not sure how the Ram announcement may change that, if at all.
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I'm sure it won't stop the marketers from showing the top of the line decked out King Super Duper Big Cowboy High Mountain Edition with giant bold letters saying, "11,000lbs TOWING CAPACITY" and then a little asterisk that says "when properly equipped"

Because at the end of the day, most of public just isn't informed and is easily mislead by marketing.
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I'm sure it won't stop the marketers from showing the top of the line decked out King Super Duper Big Cowboy High Mountain Edition with giant bold letters saying, "11,000lbs TOWING CAPACITY" and then a little asterisk that says "when properly equipped"

Because at the end of the day, most of public just isn't informed and is easily mislead by marketing.
Tow ratings, payload, GCWR, GVWR, RAWR, FAWR are things that the vast majority of tow vehicle buyers and users have never considered and don't understand. They can mostly, just barely, understand the marketing hype.

At least the hype will be to a certain standard.
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Ignorance is bliss until sitting as a defendant or graveside contemplating negligence after a crash for an overloaded vehicle parameter that failed and caused an incident....

Hope folks really do their homework as they are sharing the road.
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Switz is right, ignorance is bliss. I didn't realize that there was no standard in place until I read this. Marketing wins another round.

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And then there is even worse....those that don't believe what the marketing people have convinced the engineering people they can say about towing ratings, and think they know more.

But, that has been discussed many times on here only to lead to arguments. So if nothing else, these standard ratings might put those arguments to rest, and that would also be a good thing for everyone on the road.
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Ignorance is bliss until sitting as a defendant or graveside contemplating negligence after a crash for an overloaded vehicle parameter that failed and caused an incident....

Hope folks really do their homework as they are sharing the road.
Yeah but most don't, like this guy:



Because he was told his truck can tow up to 10,000lbs he did just that.

While being a libertarian and believing people should be responsible for themselves, I do think that the manufacturers mislead the general public with their marketing. I'm not sure though if that's more the manufacturers saying whatever and shifting the responsibility to the dealers or what. People just don't know about payload and aren't told.

Worse, with most gasser engines producing over 350hp these days, most can keep pulling the extra weight without the owner being aware of their weight issue.

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And then there is even worse....those that don't believe what the marketing people have convinced the engineering people they can say about towing ratings, and think they know more.

But, that has been discussed many times on here only to lead to arguments. So if nothing else, these standard ratings might put those arguments to rest, and that would also be a good thing for everyone on the road.
It won't. It will just even out the claims about who can tow the most. It does nothing to address the payload configuration problem where all the misleading advertising comes from and where most people aren't educated about.

Just how many people on this forum have mentioned MAX TOW thinking that means they can just tow anything?

I rest my case.

Companies will continue to find ways to skew numbers and information to their favor.
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This link is interesting: http://changingears.com/rv-sec-calc-...eight-tt.shtml

I put in all the data from manufacturers and my trips to the scales. Truck GVWR is 10,000 and "tow capacity" is over 16,000. But CGVW is 24,500 so if I maxed out the truck, the tow capacity is already lowered.

After using this calculator, with a 20% tongue max and 20% "safety margin", this tool calculated actual towing capacity as 7500 max. That's on a honking 3/4 ton diesel. Capacity rises to 10,000 only with a 15% tongue and 10% safety margin.

Nothing on this calculator for cargo capacity or payload though a hyperlink here: http://changingears.com/rv-sec-tow-v...derstand.shtml describes it.

Point is - you really can't tow the space shuttle with your smart car. :-)
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Point is - you really can't tow the space shuttle with your smart car. :-)
Great news for all of you with massive reusable spaceships taking up valuable space in your driveway or sitting on your lawn, under a tarp: you can tow it! Toyota demonstrated this nice and dramatically by successfully hauling nearly 300,000 pounds of shuttle orbiter!

Stick a space shuttle up the tailpipe of your F250 Diesel.



See all I ever have to do is point to this marketing stunt to tell all the nay saying you must have a 3/4 ton truck to tow that.
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I'm sure it won't stop the marketers from showing the top of the line decked out King Super Duper Big Cowboy High Mountain Edition with giant bold letters saying, "11,000lbs TOWING CAPACITY" and then a little asterisk that says "when properly equipped"

Because at the end of the day, most of public just isn't informed and is easily mislead by marketing.
Actually, you've got it backwards. They may SHOW that top of the line one, but the highest tow, payload, GVW, etc. trucks are the stripped work trucks with no options except tow and suspension packages. They weigh less without options and therefore attain the max numbers.
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It won't. It will just even out the claims about who can tow the most. It does nothing to address the payload configuration problem where all the misleading advertising comes from and where most people aren't educated about.
Please go back and read my post again, carefully. I was NOT talking about the marketing people and engineering people. I was talking about those in this "hobby" or business in some cases, that don't believe either the engineers or marketing people, and think they know more about the capabilities of vehicles than the manufacturers of those vehicles.
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Actually, you've got it backwards. They may SHOW that top of the line one, but the highest tow, payload, GVW, etc. trucks are the stripped work trucks with no options except tow and suspension packages. They weigh less without options and therefore attain the max numbers.
We know this. How is it backwards? Look at Ford's advertisements, they'll show the King Ranch F-150, and talk about the max towing only found on the stripped down versions. We've all seen the same commercial, with it getting loaded up with tons of rocks our hay. Then cut scene to the interior, the beautiful leather seats, leather wrapped steering wheel, a shot of the premium sound and panoramic sunroof.

Like I said, *When properly equiped.

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Please go back and read my post again, carefully. I was NOT talking about the marketing people and engineering people. I was talking about those in this "hobby" or business in some cases, that don't believe either the engineers or marketing people, and think they know more about the capabilities of vehicles than the manufacturers of those vehicles.
I read it carefully the first time around Steve. If they don't care about that, why would they care about this standard?

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