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Old 12-27-2007, 08:12 PM   #15
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I also pull our 2004 s/o with an 06 3/4 ton duramax crew 4x4, and it's a wonderful combination. It handles the massive tongue weight well, and we're talking 1,300 - 1,400 lbs with a hensley, propane, and spare tire. I also put a class 5 hitch on to handle the weight. GVWR on our AS is 9100lbs, the class 5 is 1,400 tongue weight with WD, and 14,000 with WD. To us it's all worth it because we just love the slide out. I have towed the 30 slideout with my wife's 6.0 litre Yukon and it did alright in flat S. Fla., but I don't think I'd want that combo in the mountains. What ever you decide, above all be safe,and good luck with your new adventure. -Mark
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Hi everyone - we are thinking of buying a 16' Bambi and are wondering if 2007/2008 V6 Rav4 (Toyota) can tow it safely and without too much wear and tear on the suspension - we have been told by a Toyota dealership that the "tongue weight" of the Bambi will make it unsafe for a Rav4 and the two axle set up may cause problems in case of a blow out..any suggestions? Thanks.
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Old 12-28-2007, 10:13 AM   #17
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Hi everyone - we are thinking of buying a 16' Bambi and are wondering if 2007/2008 V6 Rav4 (Toyota) can tow it safely and without too much wear and tear on the suspension - we have been told by a Toyota dealership that the "tongue weight" of the Bambi will make it unsafe for a Rav4 and the two axle set up may cause problems in case of a blow out..any suggestions? Thanks.
Welcome to the forums deleeuw! You have come to the right place to get answers to your questions...now, I'm going to defer to your Toyota dealer.
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Hello deleeuw -- Welcome to AIR Forums!

Automotive dealerships are frequently short on real world knowledge about towing. One could question motivations when they are often optimistic about towing combinations. So I would say it is a valid point when a dealership tells you, "Don't do it." A good friend of mine has a V-6 Toyota Highlander and he says it handles his large popup camper with very little to spare. This friend is looking at an RV trailer and will definitely upsize his tow vehicle to do that. I'd definitely say a Rav4 is a non-starter.
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Old 12-29-2007, 10:19 AM   #19
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As others have said, you will be at the limit on tongue weight/pay load and IMO, you will be at the limits with towing horsepower. The consensus here on the forums is not to exceed 80% of your TV's towing capacity. Does a 30' Classic S/O do this?

I'm no expert by any means, but my personal $.02 is that in the Safari line, 25' is the border line for 1/2 ton tow vehicles and in the Classic line, well, they are heavier at all lengths and I personally wouldn't consider a 1/2 ton to be a comfortable towing vehicle for anything in the Classic line. That's my opinion and isn't gospel among anyone else on this forum.

Since you already have the Tundra (a great truck BTW), my recommendation is this: if you are close on the 80% and close on the payload and really want the 30' Classic S/O, get it if YOU are comfortable with the numbers realizing that you will trade tow vehicles long before you trade Classic travel trailers. The 30' is a good compromise size as far as not too long to handle for the novice and not too small for a couple or even family. The slide out will make it feel larger so you won't feel like you should have got the larger one and want to trade up in a year or two. With tow vehicles on the other hand, you will want to trade up in a year or two.

However, if you plan on using the trailer really often, or plan on frequent trips in the mountains, or plan on full timing, you might as well bight the bullet and go for broke and get a nice 3/4 ton tow vehicle and 30' Classic at the same time...you'll be glad you did.


Well, I would very much challenge this one. The 28 safari comes in at 5800lbs dy, and our 2008 f150 set up properly has proved in over 8k of towing to be very capable indeed. Now a slide out model is another story. Still, the boys frm Canada may very well solve this one.
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Old 12-29-2007, 01:27 PM   #20
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... Still, the boys frm Canada may very well solve this one.
20 years ago there were shops in the lower 48 doing these things....

i recall 2 just north of seattle, one of which put receivers on my sports cars...

but there are NONE doing this 'over the limits' set ups now, it's a liability issue.

so the 'solution' isn't complicated...

1. reinforce the class 4 receiver (there are no class 5s that are a direct fit on the tundra)
2. use a hensley
3. swap out tire/wheel packages IF the tundra doesn't have the optional big wheels.
4. and promise never to tow over 55-60 mph.

so while it's technically possible to drag a 30 slide it still is basically a STUPID and expensive notion.

the truck axles aren't rated for the load,
the truck frame isn't rated for the load...
the truck suspension isn't rated for the load...

and the 'official payload' number will NOT be changed.

so spend 5-6 THOUSAND dollars to make the turndra marginally capable...

and void the truck warranty, while increasing personal liability many times over....

have an accident and insurance WILL cover the vehicle (insurance does cover stupidiity) damage

but INJURE ANOTHER PARTY and no insurance will cover this negligent behavior.

the o.p. asked input from those towing a 30 slide, using a tundra...

he/she has received answers from folks using that truck and towing that trailer...

but NO ONE using that combo.

now maybe a-t will give the o.p. the contact info for folks towing with this combo.

but really why use the tundra at all...

just buy a used dodge interped and have them set that up for ya.

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Old 12-29-2007, 01:43 PM   #21
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I have had a couple of customers who purchased 30' Classic S/O's towing with their new Tundra's and they have been very happy Zigzagging all over the US and Canada. We would recommend purchasing a Hensley for maximum towing comfort.

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One thing for sure, NEVER depend on a Truck salesman to know anything about towing. This is the best place for towing advice. Go by the numbers it is the only way. The 80% rule comes from very exsperienced people who have towed thousands of miles. Rarely will you hear ANYONE who has towed recommend a 1/2 ton truck to tow anything over 25 feet in the AS line. This is a redundant statement in response to a common question. So many people have waisted thousands of dollars buying tow vehicles only to spend thousands more upgrading or replacing thier rig after they learn the hard way. Safety is the number one reason a 3/4 ton is a minimal tow vehicle for anything over 25 feet.
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One thing for sure, NEVER depend on a Truck salesman to know anything about towing. This is the best place for towing advice. Go by the numbers it is the only way. The 80% rule comes from very exsperienced people who have towed thousands of miles. Rarely will you hear ANYONE who has towed recommend a 1/2 ton truck to tow anything over 25 feet in the AS line. This is a redundant statement in response to a common question. So many people have waisted thousands of dollars buying tow vehicles only to spend thousands more upgrading or replacing thier rig after they learn the hard way. Safety is the number one reason a 3/4 ton is a minimal tow vehicle for anything over 25 feet.
Well, lets understand that todays heavy half ton pick ups are a different breed than just 2-3 years ago. Fords 5.4 triton puts out more power and torque than most trucks did 10 years ago. The frames and systems have all been significantly upgraded to meet the demanding competition from the Japanese.In fact a 250 series with the 5.4 is not rated to pull much more than our 150. Big difference between hauling and towing. The airstream line has the Safari models, our 28 is only a couple of hundred pounds heavier than a 25 and not much more than a 23. I agree the classics and slideouts are a different breed, but things change and all I can say is fords 2008 f150 set up correctly is a very strong tow vehcle, with the same transmission as a v10 and cooling systems as well.
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Well, lets understand that todays heavy half ton pick ups are a different breed than just 2-3 years ago. Fords 5.4 triton puts out more power and torque than most trucks did 10 years ago. The frames and systems have all been significantly upgraded to meet the demanding competition from the Japanese.In fact a 250 series with the 5.4 is not rated to pull much more than our 150. Big difference between hauling and towing. The airstream line has the Safari models, our 28 is only a couple of hundred pounds heavier than a 25 and not much more than a 23. I agree the classics and slideouts are a different breed, but things change and all I can say is fords 2008 f150 set up correctly is a very strong tow vehcle, with the same transmission as a v10 and cooling systems as well.
I could not agree with you more. I have been a fleet manager for 30 years and it has been my job to know what a truck will and can do. My exsperience comes from everyday use. That being said.....I was hesitant to say the F-150 can tow a great deal...as much in some cases as a 3/4 ton used to. But there are still siginificant differences in the two trucks. The half ton Ford has the strongest frame in the industry no question....and the brakes....but the brakes are bigger on the 3/4...and the tires are rated a bit higher. NOW you have to understand that all 150's are not created equal. I do not want to be confrontational but let me correct a couple thiings you said.

The max. towing on a 2008 F-150 is 11,000lbs..most in the industry...but that is ONLY in regular cab configuration with the optional heavy duty package that includes a heavy duty frame. All the rest of the F-150's in any other configuration the max. towing is 9,500lbs. Still tops in the industry.

The max. towing with a 2008 F-250 is 12,500 lbs with the V-10 or Diesel. With the 5.4 the max. towing with a 2008 F-250 is 12,100lbs. You get a much heavier axels on the 250 ie. full floater axel. The tires are rated to carry more also. The front end on the 250 is entirely different than the F-150. It is truck like with a differential and locking hubs. The 150 is not build this way....and is still a strong unit...but not is the same league. I could go on and on..but to think a half will do what a 3/4 can is not realistic. But...I do believe the F-150 can handle most airstreams fine. I do NOT think other half tons can. IT IS NOT A power thing....its the overall package.
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I have had a couple of customers who purchased 30' Classic S/O's towing with their new Tundra's and they have been very happy Zigzagging all over the US and Canada. We would recommend purchasing a Hensley for maximum towing comfort.

Nice looking rig. The Hensley would be icing on the cake. I see the 2008 Tundra won top safety award...

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I have had a couple of customers who purchased 30' Classic S/O's towing with their new Tundra's and they have been very happy Zigzagging all over the US and Canada. We would recommend purchasing a Hensley for maximum towing comfort.

I have always heard great things about Patrick at Colonial from Arrow owners. That IS a nice looking rig!
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It is up to you... It is your trailer/TV/and life. Personally, I tow a 30' Classic with a one ton Ford, Crew Cab, long bed, 4x4, diesel with the off road package. I feel safe and secure. It is up to you. Just my humble opinion.
But you know what they say about opinions......we all have one.
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Hi, I would like to say that there are many numbers to punch into your calculator to see what works and what don't work. This is also referred to as the dream wheel theory. But in simple basic safe terms, use the 80% rule or half tons are to be used for 25'ers or smaller.
My Lincoln is rated to tow 8,900 lbs and my Safari is rated at 6,300 lbs and I'm happy with my combination, but some newer Safari's and Classic 25'ers are rated at 7,300 lbs, to me that would be pushing it.
If your numbers are good and you get into an accident, it would most likely be just that, an accident.
If your numbers are bad and you get into an accident, you could be charged with manslaughter. Something to think about. Sometimes we need to think about the other people shareing the highways with us.
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