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Old 05-14-2013, 08:47 AM   #43
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And, 2 Cowboys, get the WDH set up on a certified scale. THere is a recent discussion on WOODALLS about the Blue Ox. The airbags are as much (potentially more) interference as they are help for best steering & braking. So far as ride quality is concerned there are better ways to address that which won't (again, potentially) interfere with a WDH. Tongue weight and and a similar weight in the bed do not equate (is the short version).

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Ok, I'll check it out. But we already purchased the Blue Ox.
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Wrong on understaiding DEF. It means a far better tune on the engine. The difference is the up-front cost, which is higher for the DEF-equipped truck. Pay less for a truck not so equipped, but expect higher fuel costs long-term. DEF means those savings are at the beginning, and the break-even point is around 100k (fuel price dependent).

There are no cheap-to-own diesels any more. And won't be in any type of light duty truck (as all pickups are classified). How well they run is the issue (and other details of truck spec).

2 Cowboys, knowing the ins & outs, the details of what can make your hitch work best is the point of comparisons and contrasts. Dial it in. Use numbers to make how it feels equate to changes you can quantify. And, good luck with it. If there's not a B-O thread, maybe you'll consider starting one.

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Old 05-14-2013, 08:51 AM   #45
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I am more worried about the long term corrosive effects of the DEF (Urea) and the added associated stuff to go bad fix and deal with. A truck would be at least a 20yr investment for me. If you are like most folks that change vehicles every 2 yrs then it don't matter what you get.

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Old 05-14-2013, 09:42 AM   #46
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The 2012 models were the last of the urea free Dodge pickups. Some folks have improved mileage and performance by loosing some parts (which are being stolen off the trucks for the metals inside the canisters).

The door post suggests 60 psi on the fronts and 45 psi on the rears empty or 70 psi under load. The ride was harsh at 70 psi.

I solved the ride issue by visiting Kelderman in Oskaloosa, IA and had a complete level ride air suspension with air tank and pump installed. The truck is level no matter the load.

I removed the under bed 36 gallon fuel tank and replaced it with a 56 gallon Titan tank in the same space. To ensure engine longevity, I added a Cummins water separator filter in front of the stock fuel filter and a Cummins 2 micron fuel filter after the stock filter. I also added an auxiliary engine oil filter and an auxiliary transmission fluid filter.

These non-visible changes increase the utility and engine life. We also added running boards and a camper shell to protect gen sets and other stuff in the pickup bed.

I added a Curt 15049 2,550 pound rated rear hitch because my trailer tongue weight of 1,175 pounds maxed out the factory hitch, which has failed at maximum load for some folks. I also added the front Curt hitch, just in case. I added the steering gear box reinforcement as well a stronger front strut cross member.

It is now customized to our use.
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Here's a recent bit on the 2013 RAM
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Old 05-18-2013, 08:44 AM   #48
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Here's a recent bit on the 2013 RAM
Reading about them is good,but to truly appreciate them you have to drive one.They have come along way from the early days.Smooth quiet and power that must be experienced to understand.
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Old 05-18-2013, 10:32 AM   #49
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Does anyone know what changes were made between the '12 and '13 year model Cummins?
The 2013 now require DEF; the 12 did not.
3500 has one more leaf in the overload section of the spring pack over the 2500... AFAIK the rest remains comparable.

We still like our 2012 ... the easiest/most comfortable and tow-featured TV that we've had in 40 years.
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Why is the DEF tank a bad thing?
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Old 05-18-2013, 01:58 PM   #51
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Why is the DEF tank a bad thing?
Just added cost for operation.
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Old 05-18-2013, 06:07 PM   #52
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Freedom rider has the same trailer as me. I tow with a Toyota Tundra. I don't quite understand the need or desire for a diesel. A bigger fuel tank would be great. The Tundra's tank is 20-22 gallons. Not much at 10-12 miles per gallon. We do have several Duramax diesels at work and they are awesome. The short bed Duramax still is limited by 20-22 gallon tank and 12 miles per gallon towing. I just bought a 2007 Duramax for the business with an 8' bed and a bigger fuel tank. I could picture towing the 'Stream with it and my Road King in that long bed. The Tundra does an excellent job towing the Classic. I couldn't ask for more. The combination of silver truck and silver trailer is beautiful rolling or parked.
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Old 05-19-2013, 08:45 AM   #53
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The 2013 now require DEF; the 12 did not.
3500 has one more leaf in the overload section of the spring pack over the 2500... AFAIK the rest remains comparable.

We still like our 2012 ... the easiest/most comfortable and tow-featured TV that we've had in 40 years.
The 3500 has an improved front suspension,higher torque and a stronger trans than the 2500.The rear springs are not harsh.I have driven them with 80 psi in the tires and was pleasantly surprised.
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Why is the DEF tank a bad thing?
It isn't. It's a good thing all around in meeting emissions and in a better engine tune. The added cost is negligible, in fact it is more than made up in improved fuel mileage. DEF can be bought at the pump at a truck stop or at any parts store and many convenience stores.

The 2013 now require DEF; the 12 did not.
3500 has one more leaf in the overload section of the spring pack over the 2500... AFAIK the rest remains comparable.


No, sir, the changes are significant. Enough that my '04 is now -- in all ways, not just a few changes however important -- finally obsolete (just as early '90's Dodge Ram diesel was finally made obsolete in comparison to mine). There is a real gap between '12 and '13 seen to the studious.

The rumors of air ride for '14 may make waiting a bit even better.

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Old 05-20-2013, 07:53 PM   #55
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While I'm not ready to trade in my 2012 Infiniti QX56, I have been lurking on the Ram owners website. There is an apparent MAJOR issue with the new 2013 Rams -- in of all components -- the radio. Unhappily there are major QC issues or design flaws with a radio that -- if it does not work -- actually makes the truck INOP. One poor guy who posted had to have his brand new truck flatbedded back to the dealer (less than 500 miles). After more than a week his truck was still sitting waiting for parts. They apparently have an enormous backlog of trucks waiting for radio replacements, and perhaps action to find another supplier. Not sure I'd spend $40-$50K (or more if you go for the full Monty with the Cummins and Aisin transmission) to have my truck go out for a radio issue. If you think we get rabid on A/S QC issues, read their website...!
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We have friends with a 2010 Dodge 3/4 ton diesel. The last rally they stayed in a hotel because the tie rod broke.
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